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To the person who created this post! Im not trying to start anything with you. But seeing that your a nokia fan and backing your statements with how superior the nokia & symbian OS is to SE. You absolutely have the nerve to talk about Sony Ericsson using the same thing over and over without mentioning that nokia does it as well. Im not trying to start anything but I bet you as many phones that use the 9 and 12 destop UI I can find duplicates of the same nokia model with just keypad, casing and model # alteration from Nokia.
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Posted: 2006-09-15 01:24:43
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SE has always capitalised on the errors made by others; mainly Nokia. They've come out with phones packed with every feature available at the time - and left Nokia looking silly. Of course, Nokia didn't care because they had the means to sell the inferior phones in bigger numbers (reputation, marketing, better distribution channels and relationships with the networks).
I just hope that SE doesn't make that same mistake. When they came out with K750, it had everything (at least that I can think of) that were available at that time.
Now they are coming out with a lot of models with slight variations from each other (expanding the line). Like everyone wanted expandable memory with the k600, and they got that with the k610, only that the radio was removed. I find this strategy quite similar with Nokia models.
And if SE comes up with a model that blares out music if full mono, I'm switching to any one of those Korean brands
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Posted: 2006-09-15 11:05:09
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lol what a funny forum of this crap nokia comparing to SE
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Posted: 2006-09-15 11:46:17
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I agree about SE going down the same rocky road of making phones with varying specs. It's concerning but not surprising.
I know the operators put a lot of pressure on manufacturers and it's a lucrative business getting a network to take on xxx,xxx handsets. Samsung are the best at this, as they more or less have a sheet with tick boxes and you can build your own phone!
If it makes SE money, so be it, but let's hope they won't forget to still produce all singing, all dancing, kit too.
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Posted: 2006-09-15 16:38:05
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My apologies for not replying sooner.
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On 2006-09-14 05:59:27, mib1800 wrote:
I can agree to this that SE does not produce handsets that have worse (or better) quality than others. However, the general public perception of SE handset quality is still below Nokia and Samsung (at least in my part of the world)
The point you are making is subjective because it is based upon perception rather than objective observation. In the UK, for example, SE appear to be regarded rather highly by consumers, in another part of the world that may not be the case. However, neither necessarily tells one about the actual quality of the handsets being sold, just that they are perceived well.
From a technical point of view, the RAZR wasn't a terribly good handset in my opinion. From a design perspective it was innovative, which led to great commercial success. Here we have a case of a positive public perception of a handset that really offered very little beyond a new design. Once one gets past that design the handset has very little in the way of high quality features or specifications.
I think one has to look at the issue of quality from an objective standpoint. If we are asking which manufacturers make the highest quality handsets we can't base our analysis on, which brand we prefer or, which handsets appear best. One has to look at a full range of criteria; design, features, price, usability, etc.
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All I am saying is SE has more or less lost the high-end super phone race. I agree with you that this may have no impact because SE is focused on different direction.
The thing is, I don't think SE were ever really in that race to begin with. The P series handsets have been the only products from SE that can claim to be uber high-end, and there have only been a handful of them. SE simply haven't focused much attention on dominating this particulAr market segment. Arguably that makes the P series popularity both more understandable and more remarkable.
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I highly doubt it.
I am only repeating what the commentator said. Whether it will or not remains to be seen, but from what I am hearing it is already proving to be popular.
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Is there a rumor flying around that SE is dropping development of smartphone?
I haven't heard that particular rumour, but I doubt it. SE are looking to expand their portfolio further and the business and power user markets will no doubt be included in future handset releases. SE has also released the M600, the P990 and will soon release the W950 this year. I don't think we should necessarily expect a deluge of SE smartphones, but I don't see them not having some sort of smartphone component to their lineup.
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I am thinking more of having the same OS with little improvement since K700 days.
If it's not broke, don't fix it. The current UI seems to be pretty good; it is laid out in a logical manner, simple to use and quite quick.
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I think you are skirting the issue. It is the perception of "old" tech in SE phones. Most phones at K800 level has better much better video record support. You seems to be using the "I dont need it so it is not important" point. Well, I can also say photo is also crap compare to digital camera. Take away the camera and what is K800 left with?
The point isn't a case of 'don't bother because I don't need it', rather it is a case of 'why single out one manufacturer when it is a weak feature across multiple manufacturers?'.
Video recording just isn't a major concern in handsets at the moment. There have been one or two, which aim to offer better video recording capabilities, but in general it's not a feature that gets a huge amount of attention when compared with still photography.
What we see across most handsets, from all manufacturers, are fairly similar video recording features. There just isn't enough between most handsets to really say one is bounding ahead.
If we are going to comapre features with a view to determining who has a technological edge let's look at features, which have been heavily focused upon, by the industry as a whole. Instead of examining areas where the lack of attention and competition doesn't really tell us much about each manuafcturer's actual capabilities in that field, let's look at those features where there is the most competition and investment, to see who is pulling ahead in such competitive circumstances.
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I never said that SE is gonna fold. It will continue to survive. The way it is going seems to me that it is one of the also-ran.
You seem to see a slow and careful expansion as being some sort of failure. If we look at how SE is actually doing we can see that they are growing and becoming more profitable. They have put profitability before market share, which seems to be the only measure of success for some people. From what I can see they seem to know what they are doing and the products they are releasing appear to do rather well for the most part.
You do remember the story of the tortoise and the hare don't you?
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I dont agree with this. The incumbent can be doing well but it cannot cover all its flanks with prowess. So there is always opportunity to chip away at the weaker flanks. Well, SE may not have the foresight to capitalise on these weaker spots.
Nokia certainly isn't perfect, but they do what they do well. That is they sell mobile phones well because they offer a very wide range of products that target just about every market segment. It's hard for anyone to compete with that unless they do likewise. SE just hasn't been, and still isn't, big enough to take Nokia on one for one; they don't have the capacity yet to release handsets on a like for like basis with Nokia.
SE has made progress though, it's main handsets regualarly sell well and as I mentioned before top Nokia handsets in the UK sales figures on more than one occassion. Part of Nokia's success is through sheer volume; they simply have so many handsets on sale that they can't help but sell a lot of them. If Nokia were to compete on SE's terms though i.e. a limited number of handsets I imagine the situation might be rather different.
In effect, it isn't so much a case of Nokia having to cover all its flanks as it is SE not being big enough to challenge Nokia on all its flanks. Where SE do compete they do well, but they just don't have the reach yet to really attack Nokia across the board.
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Like much better video recording,
Is it at camcorder quality? Because if it is more akin to 'a bit of an improvement' rather than a massive leap forard then quite frankly I don't think ti really gives the D900 a massive edge.
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tv-output, pdf/doc viewer and sleeker design and smaller size dont matter at all.
Let's just seperate the objective from the subjective here.
First of all the actual features you mention. Are either TV-Out or a PDF/Doc viewer features that are going to give the D900 a real edge? The TV-Out certainly has the potential to be a popular feature and it could sway some people, but I don't think it makes the D900 substantially stronger than the K800. It just isn't an important enough feature to do that. As for the PDF/Doc viewer, this really is a amrginal feature at the moment. I very much doubt such a feature will see substantial use from most customers and I further doubt that it will heavil influence most customers' decision, on which handset to purchase.
As for the design of the D900, that is a subjective matter. The thin design of the D900 may appeal to some people, whilst other may prefer a 'fuller' handset like the K800 or N73. Furthermore a thin handset is nothing new, it doesn't quite have the same impact as the RAZR did when first released.
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How about a screen that is 40% bigger in terms of area, stereo speakers, much better video record, cheaper memory card, EDGE and lastly, here it comes... smartphone capability.
I'll deal with each point individually if I may.
Screen - Both the N73 and K800 have 240x320 pixel screens. The N73 has a 2.1 inch screen, whilst the K800 has a 2 inch screen. I don't see any great advanatge here.
Stereo Speakers - How many people use their handset as a Hi-Fi? At best a handset's speakers are put into use for the speakerphone function, video calling, perhaps the odd game or video clip. I just don't see this as being a feature that really gives the N73 a real edge.
Video Recording - Again, are we talking about something that people will be ditching their camcorders for or are we talking about a feature that is nice to have, but which is still a relatively weak feature compared with a stand alone video capture device? I doubt whether most customers would use this feature to choose the N73 over the K800.
Cheaper Memory Card - This is arguably not really a feature of the handset. At any rate I wouldn't consider this to be a major advanatge given that most peopl will probably buy a single memory stick, which means that any such purchase is a one off payment, rather than an ongoing expense where customers may be influenced by such price differences to a greater extent.. Of course there is also the fact that memory sticks can also be given away with a handset too, which arguably makes this point moot.
EDGE - This is really only applicable in countries where there is substantial use of EDGE over 3G (if EDGE is used at all). The K790 supports EDGE, and will be sold in applicable markets.
Smartphone Capability - This is really only an advantage if someone wants smartphone capabilties. If not it is a moot point.
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These handsets are definitely dominating the charts in their own segment. Just that SE do not have any phone in that segment.
Dominating in their own segments is not the same as dominating overall.
SE has had the P series, which has been rather popular so far. As I said above though, the uber high-end market isn't one, in which SE have focused on.
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Popular is a relative term.
In terms of sales figures it isn't.
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V3 was (and still is) popular and it elevate Motorola. Dont see K750/K800 doing the same to SE as SE market share barely budge. In term of sales, K750/W800 was as "popular" as the N70 (a more expensive phone)
The RAZR wasn't popular, it was a phenomenon. Many handsets have been popular, but only a few can be said to have generated a craze, which I think one can argue the RAZR did.
A quick look at the sales figures for the UK shows that the K750 is still selling well, being number three just over a week ago. Handsets like the K750 have propelled SE into the number two position in the UK.
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Posted: 2006-09-16 21:13:27
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in my country at the moment K750 is incredibly "popular" recently quite alot of people are getting it for its low price and functionality
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Posted: 2006-09-16 21:29:15
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may i know which of the N series got multi-tasking??
the ones i used(n80..n73) cant even zoom pictures after 6x (MEMORY FULL!!---wtf!)
They CANT do anything ffs!
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Posted: 2006-09-16 21:34:53
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just a quick comment the n73 screen is 2.4 a lot bigger then the k800i screen
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Posted: 2006-09-17 15:02:52
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On 2006-09-16 21:34:53, ayejatt wrote:
may i know which of the N series got multi-tasking??
the ones i used(n80..n73) cant even zoom pictures after 6x (MEMORY FULL!!---wtf!)
They CANT do anything ffs!
What the hell are you talking about? Are you saying we cant run multiple application on Nokia? Are you out of your mind?
And for your question, N70,71,72,73,90,91,92 and 93 can multitask. Need anymore examples?
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Posted: 2006-09-17 15:09:17
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it can't run music and play java games or message while listening to music at the same time i believe
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Posted: 2006-09-17 17:44:00
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