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Well it's the only worthwhile thing i could think of. If you know me well enough you'll know the amount i know about politics and religion i could write on a postage stamp. Make of that what you will but life is too short and the only thing guaranteed in life is death, morbid but true. Make the most of what you've got. I couldn't give a sh!t whether someone is, muslim, christian, jewish, black, blue or pink with yellow spots, it doesn't matter. Live and let live, if only it was that simple.
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Posted: 2009-01-20 23:41:37
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Marc,
Look at how much land Isreal has taken over the years. Was the land taken legally? Look back at PK's map that he posted, if Hamas were to drops its arms then Gaza becomes Isreal. Its very simple, tell Isreal to give back the land and anybody who lays a finger on a Jewish person there, I will personally go and kick their ass. Give the land back and there will be peace.
Maybe you would just roll over and give up you land but the Palestiniains will not. If you can show me that Isreal did not steal the land, you the man but otherwise don't give this stuff about terrorism because a thief is also a terrorist the way that Isreal was formed. THE LAND BELONGS TO PALESTINE.
I will come to take your house Marc and I expect you to have the red carpet out for me since thats the way you think. If you're lucky, you can live in the shed but if your dog does a shit on MY lawn...............
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Posted: 2009-01-20 23:56:56
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I wonder why being called a jew is pejorative in many languages
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Posted: 2009-01-21 00:43:28
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On 2009-01-20 19:56:15, KingBooker5 wrote:
palestinians are not at fault here at all.
Don't usualy do this, but have to do it now.
FAIL
honestly, that was ridiculous, no one is innocent in war.
Excuse me and i don't mean to be rude but what war? palestinians did not start this or invade anyone's land or steal territory, its the Israeli's that started this whole thing.
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Posted: 2009-01-21 01:12:29
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@Julias
Oh come on can you not read we are talking about the current conflict and it's causes not going back over History. Israel has existed since 1948 read the information below for the most recent history of how the state of Israel came about.
" The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism since ancient times, and the heartland of the ancient Kingdom of Judah to which modern Jews are usually attributed. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people." In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan."
Israel has at least tried to find peace and only expanded it's land to help improve it's peoples security from attack and has even handed back land it seized when the situation became more stable. How many times have it's Arab neighbors tried to eliminate it even attacking it on it's Holiest day in 1967 and starting the 6 day War.
If you really want to go further back and get biblical the Israelites were made slaves and taken to Egypt to build the Pyramids so maybe they fought oppression and escaped to the Holy land their land long before anyone else was there.
You know so many Arab states and Terrorist Orginisations want the destruction of Israel and to kill all the Jewish people. Yet i have never seen the state of Israel say they want the destruction of any Arab country or deny it's right to exist and declare death to all Arabs or Muslims. Israel could of acted in the same way as Hamas wants to and eliminated nearly all the Palestinians a long time ago such as when again after continued rocket and terrorist attacks they forced them out of Lebanon but they didn't although they could of easily.
Why then is it so many Arab and Muslim nations refuse to engage in peace talks then? it's them that want and encourage hostilities to continue. Iran and Hamas still today want the destruction of the Israel and to kill all the jewish people.
Since Hamas have come to power they still declare they want to destroy Israel and won't engage in peace talks it is Hamas that is causing hardship and suffering for it's people. It's Hamas that puts them at risk by launching cowardly rocket attacks from within the civilian population knowing full well retaliation is likely to cause suffering to those that deserve it the least.
Finally once again it was Hamas that broke the last cease fire late 2008 and started firing rockets once more at the civilian population in Israel. At many points during the escalation of the recent conflict Hamas could of avoided it by simply stopping firing rockets into Israel's civilian population but it didn't it continued and caused the actions to be taken for it to end. So blame Hamas for starting up the conflict once again as it wasn't Israel that attacked Gaza until the rockets were continuing to be fired and to stop them. There is no way to justify what Hamas do and to suggest Israel started it is a joke.
Now according to Islam it is illegal to carry out the many acts that Hamas does which is why the are not good Muslims just terrorists and there is no justification for their acts of terror is there? As not only is it not Islamic but it is terrorism which is never just or right. Israel has not sent rockets daily into Gaza first but Hamas has to Israel all they did was to attack where the rockets came from to make it stop.
Now really it's enough now all these justifications are without basis and the rants of the fanatical hate filled terrorist. Most of us sane rational people would all just like to see peace in the Middle East. Not this continued cycle of hate, violence and death anyone that is for continued hostilities is supporting terrorism as that what it is.
This the last i have to say on this matter unless further lies are being told as i have left Esato and only returned for this disgusting hate filled thread which was full of lies and propaganda when alerted to it by someone. Quite simply the facts speak for themselves and no amount of twisting can show anything other than Hamas brought the latest conflict on themselves and the people they are meant to serve.
@badassman
Actually your factually incorrect as over recent times Israel has actually retreated and given back some of the land it took. Much of this land was seized after being attacked and was held to increase and try and guarantee security for its peole from attack either terrorist or rocket. Now if you are saying Palestine as it was pre 1947 when it was a British Colony so wasn't the Palestinians or under their Governance anyway belongs to them well it didn't. Blame the British Government and the UN as they are the ones that gave that land to become Israel as it now is. You may also wonder why with all the Arab countries around the area with all that uninhabited land why won't give some for a Palestinian state the simple answer is they don't won't the Palestinians that close to them but that's a whole other story.
You are welcome to come and try and take my House but i should warn you Otis will rip your throat out for your trouble.
Shalom
Marc
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Posted: 2009-01-21 03:07:03
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You make it sound like only Muslims have extremists. You have Christian extremists, jewish extremists.
Yuo have them all. Hamas ? Believe it or not, most of the modernizing Muslim nations don't even support them!
God said that killing the innocent is HARAM. God said that killing yourself is HARAM. They are tricked into thinking that they are doing something in the name of God and that's HARAM.
It goes against the root beliefs.
Look at Qatar. Trying to get the Muslim world to learn tolerance. The only way to be open minded is with education and Qatar's the leading Muslim country when it comes to education.
The Israelis are wrong for taking land, Hamas are wrong for taking.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Killing in the name of Islam (which anybody can do, even I can kill in the name of Christianity and it doesn't make me a true Christian.), or killing to defend yourself by making the first strike isn't right either.
The Israeli government is simply doing to Palestine what the Nazis did to the Jews.
PEACE
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Posted: 2009-01-21 05:35:42
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On 2009-01-21 00:43:28, Logicbloke wrote:
I wonder why being called a jew is pejorative in many languages
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Yeah its because of racist biggots like you. Hating on people you dont even know. Thats the thing with racism, its hate of the unknown and it makes me sick. Like I said before, the amount of ignorance on this forum is astonishing.
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Posted: 2009-01-21 17:23:11
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Putting petty squabling aside for a second lets hope that the new president Obama can finally do something about getting a Palestinian state for the palestinian people to end their suffering.
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Posted: 2009-01-21 17:32:08
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@amnesia
Oh come you really can't be that ignorant can you? how can you compare what the Nazis did to the Jews which was Genocide and they killed Millions of people in Concentration camps. If this was what Israel was doing to the Palestinians they simply would no longer exist and would of been wiped out years ago. To even make such a statement as this
"The Israeli government is simply doing to Palestine what the Nazis did to the Jews"
Shows not only extreme bias but extreme stupidity lets remember Israel wants peace with it's niegahbours it's some of them that are intent on War and Israel's destruction and resort to acts of terrorism. Some of these Terrorist orginisations aren't even supported by many Arab states that want peace only the most aggressive and war like support them and continue to fuel the hate rather than seek a peaceful settlement.
Marc
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Posted: 2009-01-21 17:49:59
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1300+ dead mostly children/women in Gaza
13 dead in israel
Who's in the wrong?
You decide!
Salaams
Peace
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Posted: 2009-01-21 18:33:46
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