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How can U even say that from this war there will be a Positive benefit ??
The attack on Afghanistan was seen by many Muslims, who like most of the world, still havent seen ANY evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11.
Did u kno Bin Laden was trained by the CIA ?
Did u know the CIA armed him ?
How do u kno that this wasnt a Big US conspiracy to have a reason to control the Worlds oil ?
I mean 3,000 lives isnt much when the USA stands to make billions, if not trillions from these 'Wars'.
As for the Iraqi matter being a 'World' matter.. Bull-sh**. Saddam has never been able to hit ne1 further than Israel.. Again how does this concern the USA ?
Saddam has never attacked American interests.
Y dont u jus wake up, get some coffee, and THEN see wats going on in World Politics ?
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Posted: 2003-04-02 18:10:00
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On 2003-04-02 18:10, nyk_2702 wrote:
How do u kno that this wasnt a Big US conspiracy to have a reason to control the Worlds oil ?
I mean 3,000 lives isnt much when the USA stands to make billions, if not trillions from these 'Wars'.
As for the Iraqi matter being a 'World' matter.. Bull-sh**. Saddam has never been able to hit ne1 further than Israel.. Again how does this concern the USA ?
Saddam has never attacked American interests.
@nyk_2702
Now you are just spouting nonsense... listen to you... a conspiracy... surely you can do better than that!
I will also point out that it is a well know fact that Iraq generates (in US dollars) 3 billion a year. Are you telling me that Saddam couldn’t buy an ICBM that is available on the black market. Who are some of their strongest trade agreements with? Former Soviet states, many of which have nukes... now I’m not saying that they are selling nukes to Saddam, but there is the possibility... hell it doesn’t even have to be a nuke 3 billion can buy a lot and that is a real possibility.
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Posted: 2003-04-02 18:35:00
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Some facts about 9/11 Scuba Steve...
1 - The pentagon was aempty at the time the plane hit the building, normally, its got at least 5000 people working.. Is it a 'coincidence' that alll of these had a sick day, or were just 'taking a break' ?
2- EVERY plane which enters the USA is monitored from the ground, IF it goes off its course for more than 4 MINUTES, then fighter jets are dispatched to follow it... The planes that struck WTC had been off their course for 30 Minutes... No fighter jets were called.. hmmm...
3 - Fighter jets WERE called to shoot down a plane that was headed towards Dubya Bush.. The US gov't denies this, but there has been Eye witness reports... Who is more likely to B lying ?
4- Afghanistan ahs not seen $1 to help re-build the country after the US/UK bombing... The only places to be helped are Kabul and the Airport.. Ohh yess and that wonderful Pipeline from the Caspian sea, which provides OIL..
All the above is just a 'coincidence' ?
thats a gud joke!
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Posted: 2003-04-02 19:32:00
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First: The first 3 rings of that wing at the pentagon was empty because it had just finished being renovated. But if you recall people on the 2 inner most rings were injured and killed.
Second: US policy on Hijacked planes has always been "do as the hijacker instructs so we can all go home" that has obviously changed now. Also what you mentioned about fighter jets being dispatched if a plane is off course, that has come into effect since 9/11.
Third: These "eye witnesses" if they were watching from the ground, how would they know that the fighter jets were given orders to shoot the plane down?
Forth: You are correct we have not built much outside of Kabul... We are not going to physically rebuild everything in their country. We will help rebuild, buy establishing an infrastructure that they can build from. We have our engineers there teaching them how to build structurally sound buildings. We have already built a hospital and are providing training on modern medicine. We have also rebuilt the university there and have brought in instructors to help teach their people. We even helped them start a military training facility so they can continue with the established order. Last I had heard the oil pipeline that you referred to was inoperative but they were working on restoring it, because its revenue for the Afghani people.
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Posted: 2003-04-02 20:01:00
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nyk> sorry to get personal but you've seen way too many movies.
If it was only for oil - why doesn't the US attack Venezuela to secure their oil since the exports were stopped by the socialists?
There are many factors involved in the war with Iraq. Weapons, oil, human rights violations, cease fire violations, possible Al-Qaida links (hopefully they'll give us the facts after the war), as well as possible WMD (hopefully it will never be used), and more.
If this war was unjustified...wouldn't we see more protests from Iraq's neighbors? The only one who clearly protest the war is Syria....wonder why??
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On 2003-04-02 18:10, nyk_2702 wrote:
As for the Iraqi matter being a 'World' matter.. Bull-sh**. Saddam has never been able to hit ne1 further than Israel.. Again how does this concern the USA ?
Saddam has never attacked American interests.
Of course Saddam has attacked US interests. Maybe you weren't around during Desert Storm. And of course hitting Israel concerns US - they are the strongest allies.
Yes, Iraqi matter IS world matter. Being as globalized as we are...pretty much whatever happens around the world is world matter.
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Posted: 2003-04-02 20:06:00
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Watching too many movies ?
The US will need 6 million more barrels a day of oil if it is to keep up with the demand.. Wher is it going to get it from?
Iraq has the worlds 2nd largest oil reserves...hmm...
Saddam has been deceiving the world for 12 years.. Y now attack? Surely a few more months of Diplomacy (Which is wat MOSt countries wanted) would have been better...
As for protests in neighbouring countries, in Gulf states such as Saudi, defying the Gov't in public is Unthought of. Its almost a crime, other states like Bahrain, Qatar, the gov't is mostly pro-US becoz of economic interests, so such events arent publicised or they are banned altogether...
As for US policy on Hijackers, the ppl flying the planes never had ANY contact with ground control, so how would they know wat he wanted/
Surely u'd risk killing 100 passengers over the sea rather than allowing it to crash into a building killing 3000....
US evidence about the Iraq war has been laughed at by the french and many other countries on the Security council.. The US had to threaten some smaller countries about withdrawing financial aid if they voted against the US... But the french wer going to Veto, so it didnt matter in the end
The US promised to help re-build afghanistan.. but how much hav they put a side for Aid in this years budget ? $000000000
Whilst ISrael receives $5bn +
US is following a foreign policy, which demands that the US stays the one and only super-power in the world, so it can do as it pleases
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Posted: 2003-04-02 23:56:00
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NYK, stop wasting ur time man...maybe u should work in a news media so people can believe what u say,since this is the only source they listen to and believe or should i say they worship
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Posted: 2003-04-03 00:22:00
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To NYK:
The French are just playing the same old games they've always played. I understand German and French politicians vetoing the issue...because they want to be re-elected of course and most of their voters are against the war....that is....until it is over with and they also want to claim a piece of the pie. Chirac is just trying to save is relationship with Iraq and other middle eastern countries.
You got me laughing saying that US has not poured any money into Afghanistan. Last amount I heard was $1 billion and that goes pretty far in Afghanistan.
Of course US gives to much money to Israel....it is their greatest friend together with the UK. I'm not defending the spending but the US tax payers have the right to choose the recipient of their money and as far as I know there is nothing illegal about that. However, I think the US should be questioning some actions done by Israel.
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Posted: 2003-04-03 03:00:00
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@ amagab
Y dont U go n take a look at the US spending budget for this year.. $0 was given to Afghanistan... But u shudnt take my word for it.. Go to a gov't website, they mite have it..
The US ONLY gives money when it is in their interests, there is NO such thing as being 'friends' with a country, the US just has countries that benefit them...
Israel, Strong supporter in the Mid-East
UK, Strong supporter of US in EU..
Eastern EU countries, allow Us influence near Russia, stop Russia from growing
South Korea N Japan, Help by having US troops to keep China from growing stronger, using economical situations...
Again dont take my word
Take a look at WHERE US troops are based, and WHO the US fears most....
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Posted: 2003-04-03 17:14:00
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US troops are based in 146 countries so it is kind of har to pinpoint.
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Posted: 2003-04-03 21:03:00
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