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EPOC software usually builds very functional tools, so I doubt if that Handy Alarm was just a simple alarm.
The S60 platform is NOT too difficult to work for and even without an "appstore", there are loads of developers who develop applications for it. Not retarded fart and beer apps, but highly functional ones like Handy shell. From the aforementioned EPOC.
Click this to know what the "pence" apps are doing to the developer community in the long term:
http://gizmodo.com/5378390/th[....]-for-oblivion?skyline=true&s=i
When a site that has a permanent hard-on for the 'company that shall remain nameless" posts something like that, one can assume there's some truth to it.
Edit: here's the alarm that he probably saw:
http://nokia-e75-software.epocware.com/Handy_Alarm.html
As one can see, it goes a fair bit beyond your default alarms. Whether or not it is worth that kind of money is entirely upto you and your needs.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-10-19 11:47 ]
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Posted: 2009-10-19 12:39:48
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still waiting for my satio...arrives tomorrow
about the bst-33 battery..
why not just buy an aftermarket 1500mah battery...?
like the one on:
http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/battery-for-the-9294p.html
or ar they crap?
/H
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Posted: 2009-10-19 13:19:55
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On 2009-10-19 12:39:48, synn wrote:
The S60 platform is NOT too difficult to work for and even without an "appstore", there are loads of developers who develop applications for it. Not retarded fart and beer apps, but highly functional ones like Handy shell. From the aforementioned EPOC.
You mean Epocware - EPOC was the original name of Psion's operating system, from which Epocware got the name, back when they were writing shareware for devices like the Revo and Series 5. They've been a faithful friend to Symbian ever since, creating software for that same minority of smartphone "believers" who graduated from PDA's through to the earliest S60 and UIQ phones and beyond. But now? They're dinosaurs. Realistically, trying to sell an alarm app for £10 in a world where smartphones and their apps have gone mainstream is ridic*lous - seriously limiting their own market, and damaging the chances of Symbian in the longer term.
Since you bring them up (as a cheap shot) let me point out that those "retarded fart and beer apps" do have one big advantage for other platforms. They may be playing to the lowest common denominator, but at least they get a bunch of users browsing the appstore who might not ordinarily have gone anywhere near downloadable apps, meaning there's a lot more chance of them finding something a bit more worthwhile while they're "shopping" - probably one of the reasons why the less retarded, highly functional apps for those platforms are also much more competitively priced.
Click this to know what the "pence" apps are doing to the developer community in the long term:
Every week since it opened there's been another article knocking the viability of the Apple appstore, and yet developers still flock there, and the good ones still somehow manage to hang on, still issue updates and develop new products. In reality, what was once a gold rush has simply matured naturally into a standard marketplace - where good quality, good value apps succeed, and others don't. There's no voodoo involved, nobody's getting ripped off, it's just a matter of getting the business plan right.
I'd be seriously shocked if 99% of that functionality wasn't already built into the phone. The idea of that being worth $14.95 to anyone is absolutely ludricrous - I wonder if it's actually priced that way to make their $130 package seem more attractive, although how anyone could seriously consider spending that either is beyond me.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-10-19 13:05 ]
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Posted: 2009-10-19 13:58:42
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Can anyone confirm whether this battery would work? Would be interested in buying one...
But with my C905 I had a few software problems that meant it needed to be re-flashed, it was saying “please use Sony Ericsson battery” even though it was the original I got with the phone, and if this happens with the original from time to time, am I right in thinking a third party one like this wouldn’t work at all?
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Posted: 2009-10-19 14:08:45
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I think every third party maker has got around the check for official accessories, and indeed the only time I've ever had the warning has been with an original SE charger or battery!!
As for these apps and someone trying to justify £10 for an enhanced alarm clock, or a £100 suite of equally pointless apps (well, in terms of their cost) - it's exactly why S60 is dead in the water for apps. There's hardly anything of note out there, and top tens always seem to mention the same old things.
Fun, stupid and gimmicky apps do exactly what has been said; get people playing around with apps and getting used to installing/buying them. It's also incredibly easy to get and manage apps, with no complicated installation processes (even being asked which drive to install an app would probably put people off) and it's just as easy to uninstall as it is to install - complete with a feedback system that passes useful information on to developers. Oh, and the App Store also means developers can see how many people are trying their apps - unlike .SIS files being distributed all over the place.
Epocware is one company that has done very little to help restore faith in S60 apps - and everything to put people off altogether. They're not unique though, as I can't see much value paying £8 for an IM client either!
I can see the point in paying for a decent Twitter application, especially when it handles multiple accounts, supports Facebook and Google Reader, and isn't just enhancing something already on the phone. And that isn't selling for £20 like Handy Calendar!
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Posted: 2009-10-19 14:51:10
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Boinng: that article had enough quotes from actual developers to know that the situation is very real. Like I said, if a site like Giz (which favors Apple so much that it isn't funny) comes up with such an article, there must be some truth in it. Give the situation some time and see how it pans out.
As for epocware, I'm very familiar with their history. Dinosaurs they might be, but they're still making money from their overpriced stuff. So clearly there's enough demand. Hell, knocking on them for overpricing something with inferior functionality is an exercise in irony for someone who uses an Apple product, I'd say.
If one has a problem with the way they sell their wares, always remember one simple thing.
Whether or not it is worth that kind of money is entirely upto you and your needs.
Let me rephrase that for you. You don't HAVE to buy them. There are enough freeware and cheaply priced commercial ware for Symbian available out there and anyone who has basic working experience with the OS knows how and where to find them. Judging the entire development community of an OS by one single company and their business model is a very uneducated opinion.
By that yardstick, every single cheap app in the appstore would be nullified by the overpriced cellphone holder that TomTom sells for three figures.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-10-19 14:37 ]
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Posted: 2009-10-19 15:33:12
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On 2009-10-19 15:33:12, synn wrote:
Boinng: that article had enough quotes from actual developers to know that the situation is very real. Like I said, if a site like Giz (which favors Apple so much that it isn't funny) comes up with such an article, there must be some truth in it. Give the situation some time and see how it pans out.
Some developers are losing money hand over fist, there's no doubt of that. Some estate agents are losing money also, as are some hairdressers, some restaurants, and some taxi drivers. That's business - that's how it works. Winners and losers.
As for epocware, I'm very familiar with their history. Dinosaurs they might be, but they're still making money from their overpriced stuff. So clearly there's enough demand. Hell, knocking on them for overpricing something with inferior functionality is an exercise in irony for someone who uses an Apple product, I'd say.
They're dinosaurs, and - in my opinion - they'll soon be extinct. Their products aren't just inferior and overpriced, they're also ancient, both in concept and execution - still addressing the same geeky niche that may have been lucrative in 2002, but is now being washed away.
If one has a problem with the way they sell their wares, always remember one simple thing. You don't HAVE to buy them. There are enough freeware and cheaply priced commercial ware for Symbian available out there and anyone who has basic working experience with the OS knows how and where to find them. Judging the entire development community of an OS by one single company and their business model is a very uneducated opinion.
As jmcomms says, because they're quite high profile in the Symbian world and their apps appear in lots of top tens etc, they're exactly what Symbian as a platform is being judged on, whether you agree with that or not. To the casual observer choosing a new phone, what passes for the Symbian app "scene" at the moment is a complete turn-off to anyone who's seen what's available elsewhere - and I'm not just talking about the iPhone.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-10-19 14:45 ]
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Posted: 2009-10-19 15:44:38
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...and whether YOU agree or not, I see more reason in that Giz article than the justifications you're giving. Take that any way you please. Now can we get back to Symbian and the Satio please?
The Symbian app scene right now is a mess because there is no centralized resource for downloads. That doesn't mean that they don't exist. 5 minutes spent in a blog like dailymobile.se would lead you to a bunch of freeware and cheap commercial ware that is ACTUALLY USEFUL in your day to day life. People who complain about the Symbian app scene are usually people who don't have much experience on the platform. I should know, I was one of them too a while ago.
Someone doesn't like a 10 pound alarm? Fine. Don't buy it. Is that the ONLY alarm available for Symbian and would your productivity go absolutely down the drain if you don't spend that 10 quid? Hardly. Therefore, there's no reason to complain. Don't like a high priced app? Vote with your wallet and get something cheaper and equally/ more productive. It's basic logic, really.
With Symbian Horizon launching a centralized app store next year, most of these concerns become non factors any way.
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Posted: 2009-10-19 15:53:31
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I have just got mine!
It is really a nice phone!
It has come with HPM-77 and CCR-70 in the Box. Does everyone get these accessories?
[ This Message was edited by: JWM on 2009-10-19 15:07 ]
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Posted: 2009-10-19 16:06:49
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On 2009-10-19 16:06:49, JWM wrote:
I has come with HPM-77 and CCR-70 in the Box. Does everyone get these accessories?
The headphone model that's in the box depends on the market that the phone is shipped to.
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Posted: 2009-10-19 16:08:22
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