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LOL! When I said "key issues" I meant key as in - main issues. LOL! Not "key" as in buttons
And regarding the W880i - seriously mate, I have no problems with keys (buttons) what-so-ever. But then I do have skinny girly fingers :rolleyes:
On 2007-06-13 14:00:15, mib1800 wrote:
What I meant was the companies are thinking about more about how much stuff they can chuck in to a device than thinking about some of the key issues of a device
What key issues are you talking about?
I, for one dont mind manufacturer chucking stuff into phone as long as it is usable and stable (like N95). I dont use Office doc that much but knowing that this capability is there when I need it give me the sense of satisfaction. Same with GPS. But something like WIFI is very essential nowadays.
someone who has large fingers may find the W880i key pad a little difficult to use. But my wife, who has petite fingers, finds the keys perfect... as do I to be honest. Its a simple matter of ergonomics!
In general, are you saying W880 keypad is as easy to use as N95?? Seriously
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Posted: 2007-06-13 14:05:51
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i am not refering key as in button either
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Posted: 2007-06-13 14:09:38
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i agree with scouser75. ok, i mean, the options you get with a smartphone (this term annoys me hugely as it only offers more but it isn't really smart) are wider than with a normal phone. but in terms of speed, mp3 or cam those smartphones are just pain as you can drink an espresso while they load.
anyway. the speed and class of a k750i and the other ones that followed are just waaaayyy easier and better to use. try to open a picture or the mp3 player and then suddenly you receive an sms or a call. it's faster than you can react. on the p990i i start to feel the vibration - i still don't know what's going on though - then a sms comes and until it opened the "messaging opening" i finished the espresso i mentioned above...oh, the radio was running as well, so a crash is built in and the swiss manager was able to switch off the apps that nearly ate the RAM...i am sure P1i will be better, definitely the N95..i have no idea about the Iphone, but definitely those 3 are not so smart - not meant literally!
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Posted: 2007-06-13 18:12:59
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On 2007-06-13 18:12:59, wabre wrote:
i agree with scouser75. ok, i mean, the options you get with a smartphone (this term annoys me hugely as it only offers more but it isn't really smart) are wider than with a normal phone. but in terms of speed, mp3 or cam those smartphones are just pain as you can drink an espresso while they load.
I have to disagree with you here my friend. What do you define as a smart phone? What should the phone do that a "non-Smartphone" can do? Do you understand that concept behind a Smartphone and a non-Smartphone? One has a full-fledged operating system while the other has some embedded code with its instructions hardwired. There is a big difference between the two and they are both required to do different functions. A Smartphone, in my thinking, implies the ability to automate a great deal of tasks, multi-tasking, multi-processing. Not just a Java implementation of an application to give a psuedo-multi-tasking impression. As for speed, other than UIQ, S60 seems to load rather quickly. Naturally this can depend on the app and how it is optimized. Many times speed depends on how poorly or efficiently the app was written.
anyway. the speed and class of a k750i and the other ones that followed are just waaaayyy easier and better to use.
Once again, you make a very general statement. You are comparing apples and oranges. They are two completely different operating systems, meant to do two different things, so the learning curves will naturally be different. For me to go back to a normal phone like the k800 as an example is in my opinion a step down. I am used to the power and smoothness that I get from a Smartphone.
try to open a picture or the mp3 player and then suddenly you receive an sms or a call. it's faster than you can react. on the p990i i start to feel the vibration - i still don't know what's going on though - then a sms comes and until it opened the "messaging opening" i finished the espresso i mentioned above...oh, the radio was running as well, so a crash is built in and the swiss manager was able to switch off the apps that nearly ate the RAM
On this I can agree with you in that when I was using UIQ (M600i). It was the crash and burn machine. It sucked, and helped to make my movement to Nokia (S60) that much more determined. My N95 will crash sometimes but not in the instances you described. S60 makes better use of the memory installed, while UIQ has a notorious memory leak and no matter how much memory is installed, it will still be there, so to prevent crashes, they had to put more memory in. Time will tell if this was a fix or a finger in the dike.
...i am sure P1i will be better, definitely the N95..i have no idea about the Iphone, but definitely those 3 are not so smart - not meant literally!
Time will tell. Considering the US is getting a crippled iPhone, and some of the N95's are crippled, it would not be a fare comparison. Europe has proven to be quite a bit more mature when it comes to mobile telephony.
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Posted: 2007-06-14 10:04:57
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try to open a picture or the mp3 player and then suddenly you receive an sms or a call. it's faster than you can react. on the p990i i start to feel the vibration - i still don't know what's going on though - then a sms comes and until it opened the "messaging opening" i finished the espresso i mentioned above...oh, the radio was running as well, so a crash is built in and the swiss manager was able to switch off the apps that nearly ate the RAM
it does not happen like that with latest firmware...
and its really clear only UIQ3 phones leak memory and run low on RAM after some time, so only those need more RAM - thatīs the most dumb thing i hear in this thread...somebody should tell that to this poor guy then
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=66020
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[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2007-06-14 09:42 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-14 10:27:22
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Ares is right, that fw is stone-aged compared 2 the current one. All's good except that it can't truly multitask if you don't restart daily. Memory leak aside, it's very stable. Bugs are bugs, no one can rid of them completely & there are only minor ones left. Now we all have big hopes that the mem leak issue will be resolved in the next fw.
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Posted: 2007-06-14 10:54:59
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On 2007-06-14 10:27:22, ares wrote:
try to open a picture or the mp3 player and then suddenly you receive an sms or a call. it's faster than you can react. on the p990i i start to feel the vibration - i still don't know what's going on though - then a sms comes and until it opened the "messaging opening" i finished the espresso i mentioned above...oh, the radio was running as well, so a crash is built in and the swiss manager was able to switch off the apps that nearly ate the RAM
it does not happen like that with latest firmware...
and its really clear only UIQ3 phones leak memory and run low on RAM after some time, so only those need more RAM - thatīs the most dumb thing i hear in this thread...somebody should tell that to this poor guy then
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=66020
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[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2007-06-14 09:42 ]
Hope your computer didn't explode from the massive amount of Googling you had to do to dig this up and you still did not understand it. But I am here to help you out.
MGMaps, LiveTV, Fring, Truphone, OperaMini, NSysInfo, ScreenShot, DivXPlayer, Spodtronic, InternetRadio, WidSets, M!Weather, Gmail, S60SpotOn, Chords, Sports Tracker, m3DCam, Best FullScr Caller, Best Birthday, TaskMan, BestJotter. There are the App that he has installed. Out of these Apps:
MGMaps, LiveTV, Fring, Truphone, OperaMini, Spodtronic, InternetRadio, WidSets, M!Weather, Gmail, Chords, Sports Tracker, m3DCam, Best FullScr Caller, TaskMan, BestJotter use tremendous amounts of ram due to being not very well written or are intensive in their operations. If you had read and
understood, comprehended what I said about applications being poorly written or not optimized, they can contribute to memory issues. UIQ has had from its inception memory leaks, while this is not the case with S60. Maybe someone should try to tell me but obviously from your post, you aren't the right one.
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Posted: 2007-06-14 10:55:59
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@Mode,
I have a few friends that write code for UIQ and they say that the biggest problem they have is that developers see a way to make a fast buck with poorly written applications that simply eat all the ram. If they optimized their code better, it would take longer to get to market and they would have to debug more. This cuts into their profit margins so the easier thing to do is to pass the bugs on to the consumer. The software is the last place people think to look.
Case in point, I am using LCG Jukebox to stream audio. Nice application but it is super processor intensive. It likes to be the only thing running. I asked the company about it and they don't want to talk about it and deleted my post from the forum when I asked had anyone else experienced this. Shows that the are not interested in fixing the problem but rather passing it along to the consumer.
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Posted: 2007-06-14 11:00:23
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i did not have to google anything...i am a mobile-review user, like many...that assumption was even dumber than your usual
if i want more things like that, i just have to go to nokiaīs own forum
the guy canīt get more than 16-17...and most people have 20mb tops with the n95...while that is clearly better than the P990, saying it is fine, and that it does not also cause problems is UTTER BS...every single Symbian 9.x will benefit ALOT of having much more RAM
i donīt have problems with you SE haters, seriously, if you are SERIOUS when talking...saying only UIQ3 phones need more RAM its complete BS, is throwing sand to peoples eyes
EDIT: AND PLEASE STOP THE FXXXX REPEATED POSTING... you are at it again - did you see the magic i just did??? i EDITED my post and choose not to act retarded
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[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2007-06-14 10:02 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-14 11:01:21
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That's true. 18-20MB free RAM is shite nowadays, when the functionality of the phones is much wider than earlier. For e.g. the P990 and N95 or E65 are the same p.o.s. in this regard. The E90 and the P1 are the first real power multitasker phones.
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Posted: 2007-06-14 11:29:11
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