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scotsboyuk Posts: > 500

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On 2005-03-10 17:43:28, mib1800 wrote:

A cellphone is a gadget costing few hundred bucks and have a lifespan of 6-18 months on average. A car on the other hand, cost thousands and last years.

This analogy which SE fans like to use is fundamentally flawed as the dynamics of cars & phones are totally different.

You are taking the analogy to an extreme. The analog is merely meant to demonstrate why SE handsets ar elooke dupon by so many as being better than Nokia handsets, that is what an anaology is, not a literal example.

No one is saying that the K750 is a revolutionary step in technology, once again you are twisting words. What we ares aying is that the K750 is a major step forward in the European mobile phone market. It offers a wide range of features in a small package and doesn't skimp on quality to achieve this. It is an advanced handset that is already becoming an object of desire.

If one were to look to recent Nokia releases one would be hard pressed to find more than one or two that are actively anticipated and sought after, in comparison with SE's new releases, which are almost all sought after as soon as they are announced.

The point baout smartphones doing wonders for Nokia is actually moot, what does wonders for Nokia is the fact that millions of people continue to buy Nokia because that is all they know. If Nokia were to actually compete with other manufacturers on a level playing field it wouldn't last very long at all. Motorola and Samsung, never mind SE, produce better handsets than Nokia; what they have going for them is market share and customer apathy.
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Posted: 2005-03-10 17:49:57
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DragonEye Posts: > 500

mib1800 Posts: > 500

@scotsboyuk

it is true i am into smartphone. to me, if you can make a phone do like what a computer can do is definitely more advanced in technology than a phone that perform like a calculator. it is obvious (to me at least) that it is much more difficult to come out with a smartphone than a normal phone.

i am not saying that K750 is low tech. all i am saying it is too early to pop the champagne yet. Well, you can if you r comparing it to 6230i. But then, this would be a hollow victory.

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Posted: 2005-03-10 17:56:54
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goldenface Posts: > 500

@mib1800

The Analogy does ring true with me. It is generally accepted in the industry that SE have managed to carve out a high-end niche for themselves.

Why? Because for years Nokia smothered the market in not very good handsets.

How? for developing advanced and innovative handsets.

See here

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=76339#post1018436

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Posted: 2005-03-10 18:09:34
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scotsboyuk Posts: > 500

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On 2005-03-10 17:56:54, mib1800 wrote:
@scotsboyuk

it is true i am into smartphone. to me, if you can make a phone do like what a computer can do is definitely more advanced in technology than a phone that perform like a calculator. it is obvious (to me at least) that it is much more difficult to come out with a smartphone than a normal phone.

i am not saying that K750 is low tech. all i am saying it is too early to pop the champagne yet. Well, you can if you r comparing it to 6230i. But then, this would be a hollow victory.

Here we have the crux of the misconception. I am equally as appreciative of advanced technology and I like handsets that can do all sorts of things besides making phone calls, but one has to realise that that isn't an appropriate means of comparison in judging what is better.

One can only judge a handset within the context it was was intended for. One cannot compare the T68i and the P900 and say that the T68i is rubbish because one would be taking it out of context. Similarly one cannot compare a smartphone and a non-smartphone because they are intended for different purposes; for different people. If someone wants a smartphone then they will buy one, if they don't then they won't.

I would not compare a supercomputer with an abacus because it is just plain silly. SE has decided that their target market does not want smartphones, so they produce them to cater for a niche market, whilst aiming the majority of their products at a wider consumer base.

Nokia are simply so much larger that they can produce lots of handsets and target every market sector. SE can't do this, so they specialise, hence the reason that direct comparisons are not very productive.

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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-03-10 17:15 ]
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Posted: 2005-03-10 18:09:57
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slattery69 Posts: > 500

my 2p worth is the k750/w800 are evolution not revolution. they are the natural progression for the t610 and k700.
i dont think that the technology is particularly advanced but is in keeping with what the market requires over the next 12-18 months.
for me se biggest problem is getting in the message to consumers that they need there brand and the functions it provides. this is were i feel se has often been a let down, i sometimes feel they dont truly understand how to reach potential consumers and often end up looking very high brow.its nice to carve a niche in the market but you still need sales to help drive you to keep raising the bar.
i am looking forward to the new phones but wont be getting to excited till i see them in action, claims on battery life and camera quality are just specs on paper at the moment and until the phones are delivered and meet the specs then i shall just sit back and wait
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Posted: 2005-03-10 18:10:12
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mib1800 Posts: > 500

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On 2005-03-10 17:44:23, Arez wrote:
90% of the people that are using nokias smartphones don´t know how to use them...they just buy them because they´re form nokia and they do what they expect in a phone nowadays (photos, mms, video, games)...so, i see no point in SE turning and start launching a massive amount of cheap UIQ phones...one model could be ok, because there´s a niche market for it

like you say many people bought a Nokia smartphone without knowing they bought a smartphone. So this group of buyers would have compared the Nokia's with others like S700/K700 before buying. Who knows, maybe they bought the nokia's because it has more functions.

So in effect, you cannot isolate Nokia smartphones to its niche category. K750 when it comes out will compete with 6230i as well as all the Nokia smartphones. Put the K750 next to a series60 smartphone, well, the K750 looks quite mediocre.
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Posted: 2005-03-10 18:13:15
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batesie Posts: > 500

most nokia owners i know, buy new nokias as they "can just text like they can on their old nokia" - basically they cant be bothered to learn a new UI.
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Posted: 2005-03-10 18:16:13
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scotsboyuk Posts: > 500

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On 2005-03-10 18:13:15, mib1800 wrote:
like you say many people bought a Nokia smartphone without knowing they bought a smartphone. So this group of buyers would have compared the Nokia's with others like S700/K700 before buying. Who knows, maybe they bought the nokia's because it has more functions.

So in effect, you cannot isolate Nokia smartphones to its niche category. K750 when it comes out will compete with 6230i as well as all the Nokia smartphones. Put the K750 next to a series60 smartphone, well, the K750 looks quite mediocre.

You are making a false comparison in that you are assuming that customers would have been comparing handsets; this does not take into account the large number of customers who buy Nokia because that is their default.

Your comparison would be more accurate if you placed limitations upon it. For example, one could say that those buying a K700/S700 compared it with a Nokia smartphone and decided that they didn't want all those extra features.
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Posted: 2005-03-10 18:19:09
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goldenface Posts: > 500

But what is the point of comparing phones from two different categories? What does that prove?

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Posted: 2005-03-10 18:19:33
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