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So it comes down to personal preferences and I consider all that is written as such and not as an absolute fact.
As for myself, I will never buy the P1 as it doesn't have a flip which I consider an absolute necessity for my personal use. I would welcome a 5-way jog dial as in the P900, it is a much better alternative to the "back" button at the left side which is somewhat awkwardly placed as you just can't use it without shifting the phone in your hand.
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Posted: 2007-08-21 15:17:21
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Yes, the back button and shortcut button are very hard to use. For a start off they don't protrude from the casing so you can't feel where they are and secondly they're stiff as anything! I have to hold my phone up and look down the side to locate the buttons before I press them. Very unhelpful design.
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Posted: 2007-08-21 15:20:04
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it doesn't take long to get used to the positions of these 2 buttons so that pressing them is automatic
I can't remember the last time I looked at a computer keyboard when I type. There's a heck of alot of buttons but my fingers just seem to know where to go!
edit: anyway, better to be indented than pressing them all the time while holding the phone
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@Makbil - I find what you say very interesting. I entirely respect your right to your own opinion, and I agree that to some extent all these usability concerns are subjective, but still...
Put it this way - I find it absolutely impossible to believe that anyone who'd used the M600 or P1 could seriously state that the P990-style flip was an "absolute necessity". Those can only be the words of a P990 owner!
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Well, all it counts to me is that SE did not abandon the flip design, and the true P990 sucessor will have it...that will make me and alot of other p series users very happy, even if many of us do no dislike the P1 type of design...i even can see myself using a P1 for sometime until the P990 successor is out, but IMO the flip design is the best
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Posted: 2007-08-21 15:56:37
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On 2007-08-21 09:07:26, skblakee wrote:
Why did they release the P1i less than a year after the P990i?
To screw up those of us who invested $500 bucks in the P990i so that at this point in time we would not be able to resell and recoup some money towards the P1. Also, so that they would not have to release too many firmware updates for a phone that they released too early with not enough RAM and a few too many bugs.
Plain and simple!
Do they want to encourage die hard fans like me to switch to the N95,I am beginning to think so but I love my P's too much.
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lol cause s60's aren't all plagued with ram issues as well?? (exceptions.. 6620, n76, e90)
i believe the p990 was released sometime last july.. it's been almost a year for the p1i to roll around and it's a m600i sucessor...
that's about the same time frame that it took the n95 to come out and replace the n80...
now what's interesting is the n95 will be releasing a n95-8 gig version.. only after 6-7 months...and it's supoose to address ram issues...(upgrade to 128) and bump up the battery to 1200mah and it's black.... now that's a cash grab...
in regards to the p990.. lol what a piece of trash that was... big and useless... the p1i is in no way shape or form related to that lol
the m600 was better from the start the UI layout and design were more usable and logical.
the 5 way jog dial was great but the new system isn't bad.. people just have to get use to wanting to touch the screen.. seems it's hard for us to change after all these years of press physical keys.
i think SE needs a home button.. (i've assigned the @ button to be my home key) or an old s60 red key.. (the one that brings you back to the home screen but doesn't shutdown the app...)
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Posted: 2007-08-21 16:05:57
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A home button.....which'd work like holding down the back arrow already does??
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Posted: 2007-08-21 16:16:18
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On 2007-08-21 16:16:18, Aware wrote:
A home button.....which'd work like holding down the back arrow already does??
meh..... too slow.it's not really efficient IMO. i want instant....that's why i use the @ key for now...
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Posted: 2007-08-21 16:19:18
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I think its more of a P series meets M series which I'm glad because I would have bought the M600 had it had wifi and a camera which is precisely what the p1i has.
Plus I agree with the whole flip necessary for UIQ2 issue. UIQ2 was a major PITA. Using it on a very old P910(i think it was), i was longing for series 60 again. On the nokia 6708, I felt like breaking the damn phone because it was so utter crap.
While a flip would be a nice 'option' (and SE should have offered it as a P1i accesory), I think that P1i deffinitely benefits from the lack of the flip.
For one its more attractive(hey, I'm shallow
), the flip also adds a lot of bulk. Secondly, because of the flip, the P990i had a very odd screen layout. I guess if your coming from an older P series, you'll miss the flip, but I'm sure most new users would prefer it without the flip.
Actually the lack of a flip was also one reason I really liked the p1i. Otherwise I'd have gotten an E90, but everytime Id want to type a large sms/email etc... I'd have had to open up which is just not suitable for quick use.
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Posted: 2007-08-21 17:29:35
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I liked UIQ2, but in its native state it just wasn't designed for one-handed use, and that's why the P800 and its successors needed the flip. When the P800 was designed, they took the software and then designed a phone around it, and it was a good design that lasted for two further generations (the P900 and P910, neither of them substantially different).
Something went very wrong when the designers moved onto the P990 I think. I think they started off on the wrong foot, assuming that the hardware should stay in the same mould as its predeccessors even though the software had moved on. What they ended up doing was crippling UIQ3 to make it fit into a UIQ2-style form factor, by putting the soft-key buttons at the top and moving the status bar down so it matched the P910 etc. If it wasn't for that one needless change to the interface, there'd be no need for the "flip closed" mode of the P990 at all - they could have easily made the flip a little shorter so it didn't cover the screen, or - as on every other UIQ3 phone - gotten rid of the flip altogether.
The M600 hit the market well before the P990, and its obvious that in many ways it has more in common with the earlier, greater P series in one crucial way - namely that, like the P800 before it, it was designed around the software rather than the other way around. Its designers looked at the possibilities of UIQ3 and made a phone to fit the new UI, rather than starting with a preconcieved hardware idea and crowbarring in the software as an afterthought. That's why it's so much more successful in usability terms, and that's why SE switched to that new form factor for the P1 - it's a UIQ3 design that's been proven to work.
I don't doubt that we will see another flip design soon, it's an SE/UIQ trademark and there's obviously a desire to make it work for UIQ3 too, but I suspect the exact design is being reworked from the ground up - not to follow in the P990's faltering footsteps, but to recreate the concept all over again, around the strengths of UIQ3 rather than the weaknesses of UIQ2.
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