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Im using an N82. This will be my last Nokia thats for sure...
They can throw in as many features as they want, but its still needs to have to be a basic phone!!!
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Posted: 2008-02-12 09:02:52
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@Boinng
Obviously as usual we are going to have to agree to disagree the E61 is still IMO one of the best smart phones i have ever used, the E90 i use now sorry is without an equal. Especially as unlike you after 20 months of not using a Touchscreen i no longer want or feel i need one for anything i do. But yet again what is right for me may not be for you and I'm not saying it has to be either of course. I bought Masseurs TyTN and it lasted only a few days as it was just not for me you love yours and i love my E90 wouldn't swap it for two of any other devcies.
@all
For those that are mocking the S60 Touch UI maybe you managed to miss this very relevant bit of information in the review with the Video
"The working prototype here is very rough. It's missing animations between picture swipes and lacks truly natural menu swiping. It also doesn't support multi touch here, but that's a matter of hardware—and this is early software, so we should be not too harsh on Symbian for updating their great OS to keep up with the Joneses"
Compared to the launch of the X1 where no one was allowed to touch the devcie or see anything other than the 9 panels i wouldn't be quite so sure of yourselves as he who laughs last laughs the loudest and only a fool would think Nokia will fail to deliver there record speaks for them.
If SE had half of Nokia's sales and market share they would have double what they have now. At least Nokia sticks to it's own OS and doesn't have to join the competition to come out with a top spec product and even then it's not ready or released and only top spec now who knows what the others will advance with in the next 6 months or so. UIQ may suprise us with something special although we will have to wait till Wednesday to find out.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-02-12 08:38 ]
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Posted: 2008-02-12 09:34:24
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On 2008-02-12 09:34:24, Dogmann wrote:
@Boinng
Obviously as usual we are going to have to agree to disagree the E61 is still IMO one of the best smart phones i have ever used,
I'm sure it's competent at what it does, but regardless of the rights and wrongs it's awkward looking form factor puts many people off (including me) and it's just not an exciting handset. Like the rest of the mostly grey E series, it's aimed squarely at business users, with little or no concession to anyone wanting more, well, fun. That would be fine if it weren't for the fact that Windows Mobile is aiming for, and winning, that same market. The E series, and S60 as a business OS, will only ever be a "quirky" alternative.
the E90 i use now sorry is without an equal.
No offence, I'm sure you think it's fantastic, but to me it's a joke. I can't imagine why anyone would put up with that size and bulk, just to run the same OS as any other other S60 handset. It's like lugging around a laptop just to run UIQ - only without the touchscreen, or too many other perks, other than a reasonable - but replaceable - keyboard.
S60 is the Symbian equivalent of S40, no more and no less. The UI was never designed for smartphone use, it's just been ported and tweaked - IMO it's a waste of N95's resources, let alone the E90's.
Especially as unlike you after 20 months of not using a Touchscreen i no longer want or feel i need one for anything i do.
Because you've learnt to live without it, because (with Nokia) you have no choice. But it's not an either/or - with Windows Mobile, for example, you can still drive everything with the keyboard just as you can with your E90. Sometimes that suits the way I work with the device, sometimes it's far, far easier to just touch the screen. I enjoy - and demand - the choice.
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Posted: 2008-02-12 11:01:32
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I don't think TS are that great all te times. Especially when you have to sacrifice the keyboard. The W960 design is the path to follow imo. A keyboard and a screen, the best of both worlds
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Posted: 2008-02-12 11:25:34
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That video of the touch based S60 is almost laughable. I'm sorry but SE have launched the hardware, it's small sleek and sexy even if the OS isn't there yet, and as for the iPhone, well that works amazingly well for a finger based OS, and I can buy that right now. Plus again it's small and sexy.
So IMO I just hope that's the proto they've been using for a long time and the actual devices are much smaller. But it does worry me that Nokia haven't even shown a mock up of the actual device they plan on launching. Lets just hope it's not this huge brick!!
SO in all one company has the software together and the other has the hardware LOL, SE & Nokia should join up. But then again SE cheated and had HTC help them.
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Posted: 2008-02-12 11:43:46
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Anyone can do the demo eye-candy 9 panels UI of X1. But making it work with WM is definitely a workaround and it could be messy and inconsistent. The current incarnation of WM is not designed for finger touch. Look at the HTC Touch. I doubt SE can do any better than HTC as HTC has been doing WM for ages.
On the hand, S60 Touch is designed from ground up for such finger touch use like the Iphone. X1 supporters can mock all they want about S60 Touch but the fact is X1 UI is the frankenstein monster (with incompatible parts - finger touch add-ons app + stylus-based WM core forcibly stiched together
) We will just have to wait and see how incoherent and messy the UI of X1 will be.
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Posted: 2008-02-12 12:45:23
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mib - as ever, you miss the point. Neither the X1, or Windows Mobile itself, need to be optimised around finger touch - the X1 will have it's value-added apps to add those options, but you've still got the joypad, you've still got calling keys, you've still got a full qwerty keyboard and a stylus - believe it or not, these are still things that some people - even many people - like, and find convenient. It's not all about copying the iphone.
SE have their own longstanding touch-based UI, and its that we'll see tomorrow on their next big launch. I believe that will be much more finger optimised, and the chances are it will be some way more advanced than Nokia's efforts too, since they've already got the basics well in hand.
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Posted: 2008-02-12 13:15:07
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@Boinng
Sorry but you are just so wrong it's not true Multimedia wise or fun as you put it nothing comes close to watching a Movie that fills the whole huge screen either it simply can't be beaten by any devcie i know of and will be happy to show if you are ever in London. The same goes for how great Documents and E-Mails look on the internal screen as well as the Calendar with the extra views and information available, for Weather info i have a choice but use Worldmate that reads out a forecast twice a day.
It may not have a Touchscreen but the only WM devcie that gets close is the HTC Advantage and that really is a brick, also i have yet to see any WM with a qwerty keyboard as good either. Also no WM devcie i have seen can function so well as a phone as the E90 closed can either. It may not be a devcie for you but it really is a great bit of kit with little to no comprise i have push e-mail running 20hrs a day via WiFi and have yet to see a low battery warning in a single day.
The only weakness the E90 has is Muisc playback but IMO no mobile devcie does a good enough job of this which is why i have a 5.5 Gen iPod for my Music needs. I remember how critical of all but UIQ you were and now you have used WM how your views have changed, maybe if you tried S60 the same would happen again as IMO you really are greatly underestimating just how versatile S60 is. It isn't one of the biggest selling smart phone platforms for no reason is it.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-02-12 19:55 ]
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Posted: 2008-02-12 20:54:45
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It's good that you like it and it meets your needs, I'm sure the screen is indeed amazing, possibly better than the X1's etc (certainly more colours), and it's a good device for multimedia. Where it falls down flat, for me, is in the S60 interface. It's just not up to the job, IMO, and certainly doesn't compete with WM as a business OS. That's where the X1 gets the balance right completely - a totally practical, business-minded OS complete with the ease of touchscreen, keyboard, and a decent stab at multimedia to boot.
And let's not forget the difference in bulk of course...
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-02-13 11:59 ]
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Posted: 2008-02-13 12:55:07
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how does S60 not offer business users a decent set of features and support?
S60 has a whole host of apps that you can find on WM devices.... touchscreen isnt really an importance for the majority of business users as many have come from blackberries and previous nokia business handsets so dont really need a touchscreen...
thats just my two pennies worth anyway.... i've used both Nokia and SE business devices and have found Nokia's offerings to be the better of the two for myself and also for many of my own customers.
J.
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Posted: 2008-02-13 14:00:08
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