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I figured that was a typo and you really meant 14.4Mbps not Kilobits/second, hehe.

Everwhere I read, EDGE doubles the data capacity per tower than GPRS, same with UMTS, same with HSDPA. If I recall GPRS allowed for 8 slots of data per tower. This also restricted voice calls so 8 slots = 7 data slots, 1 voice. If I'm correct then EDGE =16, UMTS =32 slots for data seperately from voice calls, 64 slots for HSDPA?? I'm thinking that the bandwidth IS there for every user to use data on their phones, however in large metropolis' then congestion could begin. Then again its likely no same amount of ppl would connect to data all the time and just about every phone, like the K850i, will disconnect the data session if the screen auto times out for a certain length of time.

Wondering if you're current telco licenses a specific rate (speed), and bandwitdth to corporations or municipality entities? Here in Toronto Rogers Wireless (largest national provider by consumers & breadth across the nation) gauarantee's EDGE data speeds to the local police cruisers so that they can pull up a criminal record, entry a new arrest, or bill you a new ticket inside the car and it sync's up over EDGE to the central database. I cannot STAND it but they're doing it. I hear a lot of other city's have similar deals with Rogers Wireless across Canada. Whats the name of your current telco and are they doing such strides?

You figure they'd realize in order to quickly pay for all that high costs of building such a fast network - they'd lower their prices and have more users (more features to keep them hooked on contracts or month to month) using data on their phones (unlimited browsing) which would allow economies of scale to pull in more revenue??!?!

You want the pull to enact such a change? Contact a stock broker, or research online when the next voting shareholders meeting is going to be & time. Dress the part, rallyup the boys to attend and make a quick outburst that is heard in the entire hall (usual type of atmosphere where a loud voice is clearly heard ). Also send an email to notable high end newspaper editors (most likely would cover such an event so send it to them days in advance requesting to paste such concerns) in hopes to enact critical review. Shareholders take notice, competitors raise a brow in thought and try to make one another look bad by offering such change, then CHURN begins ... this leads to unhappy shareholders, whom with a proxy VOTE such a change 1qtr away, or nonvoting shareholders take their money elsewhere and new projects cannot be done without that money.

- yes I've seriously thought about doing this myself. The CRTC announcement beat me to doing it - opening outside players to play and 1 provider seeing the gillatine made a big change; others followed suit.
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Posted: 2008-03-08 02:02:52
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same here... that's why i use opera mini instead of the built in browser for full html sites. for wap sites, the browser's fair enough..
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Posted: 2008-03-08 03:15:12
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yeah, typo

I like the cut of your jib (re lobbying providers via shareholder meetings), but I don't know if will achieve anything. Would be fun though Might be worth buying some shares in Optus just to get a foot in the door....
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Posted: 2008-03-10 04:41:57
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@Prom1

Well basically much of what you are saying is what happened in the UK 3G brought the promise of video calling due to the extra speed and bandwidth. The Networks were looking at Video calls to help them recoup the absurd amount they ended up paying for their 3G license., We all i would think are aware of the minimal take up of Video calling and how it can't really be considered a success or large revenue generator.

So with all this bandwidth just sitting there doing nothing and having alreday been paid for T-Mobile where the first to realise that making Data affordable was the only way to make use of it and at the same time generate revenue. So where the first with Web N Walk to start introducing fixed price Data plans due to it's success not only did they generate revenue but also started seeing more users joining there Network just for Data. It took some time but most of the other Networks have now been forced to react and all offer fixed price Data with varying levels of value.

I do really believe we are now entering a time when Data use is going to see large and rapid uptake by users and with it smart phones are shifting from being mainly for Buisness use to being more used for Multimedia. As the data speeds have improved along with better larger screens and faster processors and improved graphics mobile data can at last truly start to deliver a full and rich quality experience to the user.

Marc

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Posted: 2008-03-11 16:59:45
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No i never use phones normal browser for full web sites i always use Opera.
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Posted: 2008-03-11 19:54:00
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It's true, and finally now HSDPA will start to come into it's own. I think we still have 12 months or so before people really take up mobile broadband useuge, but once they do there will be no going back
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Posted: 2008-03-13 02:57:54
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IMO, edge class30 is quite good and very much comparable against the likes of 3G, however, when it's about HSDPA, it's way too fast for EDGE speed to handle
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Posted: 2008-03-13 03:17:23
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Opera Mini is great - which is what I think you're refereing to - but if I had to wipe my handheld, a simple PC Suite sync will bring all my data back. But with Opera Mini there is no such solution. I have to manually input all my site bookmarks, wait till they load, THEN save. I cannot save highlighted links either. Funny I've prefered O.M. to the OEM browser UNTIL I got my K850i! I still use WML sites - because they load SO FAST over EDGE/HSDPA its still more efficient than full HTML. Sites are still being coded according to standards; this makes for mobile browsers to be more efficient to load sites - and memory restrictions won't be so imposing.

HSDPA can offer low end 720i/p HDTV however for mobile applications on regular phones, heck even current smartphones to be able to handle such massive data stream MORE MEMORY and management of previously viewed data (use a 1hr/42min movie as an example) - more than 5mins old - will need to implemented and changed.
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Posted: 2008-03-13 05:28:02
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I believe Video Calling arrived before its time. I mean, on television programs set in the future, they always video call each other and it seems very high-tech and futuristic. It doesn't quite seem 'now'.

So I think when Video Calling was released, it was too soon and the majority of people weren't ready for it. Also, the people who had a Video Calling capable phone often had nobody to Video-Call as the phones were expensive and the majority of people didn't buy them!

I see it becoming popular later on when it's cheaper and is available more widely. Think of it as a sort of second coming for it. I don't mind seeing it disappear from phones now, but a technology like this won't disappear forever because without it, there isn't far that calling technology can evolve to!
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Posted: 2008-03-13 05:40:35
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@prom1, this is true, and partly the reason SE has been so slack with HSDPA in UIQ imho - very view handset manufacturers have really allowed for true HSDPA speed services. SE UIQ devices are not really as far behind other smartphones with HSDPA as it would appear from just a glance at spec lists. Sure some OEMs have handsets that are "hsdpa" capable, but most of these are only around the 1.5 to 3Mbps mark. There are still no handsets (apart from proprietary handsets in Japan and some parts of Asia) that can manage an actual throughput of more than 3Mbps, let alone the theoretical capacity of 14Mbps.

So to a certain extent the whole argument of HSDPA being a business requirement/multimedia requirement is something that's still taking shape. Over the next year it will change, but until now HSDPA is more a theoretical advantage than an actual advantage.

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Posted: 2008-03-13 05:45:19
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