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On 2003-02-26 18:37, Raven wrote:
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On 2003-02-26 17:40, ppcrockar wrote:
And when we talk about PC Suite. So far it only works with Nokias own PC bluetooth cards which sucks. Which means that you can't sync with your computer via bluetooth unless you have Nokia stuff.
Not true. Worked fine with my 7650 and a Billionton USB adapter.
And with the MSI key.
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Posted: 2003-02-26 19:06:00
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On 2003-02-26 17:40, ppcrockar wrote:
Well... we'll have to see how well the 3650 bluetooth stuff works. Nokia have a really bad reputation when it comes to bluetooth.
SyncML has much more use than syncing with your computer, you can sync with every device that supports SyncML. And you can sync with calenders/phonebooks on the internet. SyncML is far more useful.
And when we talk about PC Suite. So far it only works with Nokias own PC bluetooth cards which sucks. Which means that you can't sync with your computer via bluetooth unless you have Nokia stuff. At least that' the way it has been with all the other Nokia bluetooth phones. And I would be very surprised if that would change with the 3650.
Well, handwriting is faster than T9 at least when you get the hang of it. Why do you think PDA's like Palm/PocketPC have Handwriting instead of T9? Because handwriting is preferable and faster of course. If you have a touch screen handwriting is the best option. Of course T9 could occasionally have it 's uses. But the P800 is prepared for an alternative for multitap, which makes T9 a possible option in the future. I wouldn't have the keypad on the P800 anyway as it looks better without it anyway.
The jogdial makes the P800 quite easy to use with one hand. And if you keep the keyboard on you have that option as well... (not that I would do that though).
The P800 has many advantages a higher resolution screen, a much faster CPU, SymbianOS v7 and UIQ (which is much better compared to Symbian Os v6.1 and Series 60), better battery performance, faster GPRS, a much better wap/web browser, the Opera browser available and for free (and it is much easier navigating the web with a stylus), flight mode (which is really handy when travelling).
What the 3650 has: a much larger physical size. A completly worthless keyboard layout, Video recording...
SyncML - so what? Some devices dont support it either. I've never had a problem synchronising a Nokia with a Palm, or with any PC app.
Screen resolution - P800 wins on size, but not quality. Had a 7650 (same sceen as 3650) next to a P800 in the phone shop and the 7650 looked crisper and better defined. The colours on the P800 looked slightly washed out under the flurescent lighting. It was like comparing a GD87 with a T68. Ok, maybe not that bad, but you get the picture. And what happens to this large screen when the flip's on? Suddenly shrinks to a 3rd of its size...
Handwriting recognition - get real - some people might prefer to write things one letter at a time, but how MOBILE is two-handed operation?! For example, can you carry a shopping bag and text at the same time? No. Oh - you can - if you put the flip back on, LOL
T9 was designed with mobile phones in mind. For the purpose that it was designed, it excels. It beats multitap and HWR. I bet I could send 5 texts using Nokia's version of T9 in the time it takes you to send one on a P800. (ha, and I'd get delivery reports for them all too!)
Bluetooth - the only "bad reputation" Nokia have here is the 7650's lack of BT Audio and early 6310's. At least they have BT handsets, unlike other manufacturers. Typical of Nokia's "development" policy where early adopters are also beta testers. (SE seem to do that too). Is that enough of a negative to make the P800 more attractive than the 3650?
Jogdial - how is that better than a joypad? Although I love the jogdial too, it's not as practical as a joypad. I'd like to see someone trying to play a game with a jogdial...
GPRS - 3650 Class 6; P800 Class 8. First person to notice the difference gets a Smartie. (info from :
http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/terminals.shtml)
Dont get me wrong, I'm not another Nokia fanboy, I'm just asking - does the P800 have an edge over the 3650, one that's worth the extra money, and if so ... where/what is it?
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Posted: 2003-02-26 21:15:00
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Jimbo, I guess the 3650 suits your needs the best then. I don't care, to each his own, but what I can say as a former 7650 owner is that there really is not one single thing with the 7650 that would ever make me wan't do go back. Not T9, good for one hand use agreed, but I can type just as fast using the virtual QWERTY keyboard. Not it's screen, it is nothing compared to a P800, although it might display some colours better, it is just teen tiny and the P800's screen is far more pleseant to the eyes. GPRS speed between the two? - HUGE difference!
Also, I'd be happy to show you how well I can play Doom using the jogdial.
And if you really wan't just one good reason why the P800 is so much better, here's one, one word; STEREO. Yeah, that's right, the 3650 can only playback music in MONO.
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Posted: 2003-02-26 22:00:00
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@ Jimbo
Yea, that makes sense.
Btw, 3650 (as well as most Nokia's) has 3+1 or 2+2 timeslots on gprs, P800 has 4+1. Do I get a smartie now?
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Posted: 2003-02-26 22:02:00
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Doom is very playable with a jog dial/stylus combination.
A jogdial alone is just as good(if not better than a joypad) for menu navigation. Because on menus you navigate more up and down than sideways. And a jog dial is supreme when used for up and down movement.
And once you open the flip the jogdial/touchscreen combination is so much better for menu navigation than a joypad It's not even worth discussing. It's like the difference between windows with a keyboard and windows with a mouse.
As for games it's a different story. It's definetly better to navigate with joystick/pad than the jogdial/stylus.
Except for driving games(stunt run is a fine example of this. It gets kinda like using a steering wheel). And strategy games and the like would definetly benefit from the stylus.
The screen on the p800 is 1,8 times as large as the n3650
It has twice the amount of ram
almost twice the amount of MHz
3 times as much internal memory.
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Posted: 2003-02-26 22:25:00
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Having twice the MHz does not mean twice the power, only twice the potential. If it has twice the MHz, but is also forced to process twice as much data, the net result is little to no speed improvement.
Same thing goes for internal RAM. A Pocket PC with 32mb of RAM stores about the same number of contacts as a Palm with 16mb of RAM, again because the size of each contact on the Pocket PC platform is larger than that of the Palm. Does that mean one is "better" than the other? No, just different.
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Posted: 2003-02-27 03:14:00
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Having a faster CPU means I can multi task. Have my IM running in the background while I surf the net. My P800 beeps when someone sends me an IM, I can switch to my IM while a webpage loads, reply to the IM, go back to the webpage which was loading while I was replying. I can receive SMS and calls while surfing, surfing is paused while I take a call, resumes once call is ended.
I can leave GPRS connected (not just on) the whole day without much battery drain. So I'm online on Yahoo, MSN, AOL the whole day without affecting my batterylife that much.
I can run the FULL version of DOOM at full 30++ fps with full audio.
I can play my MP3s while surfing, or checking my email.
I read somewhere that the Palm OS can't multi-task... can the 3650 multi-task?
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Posted: 2003-02-27 04:01:00
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I dont know about the p 800 but i would not trade my nokia 6100 color mms tiny and powerful for any se phone. The phone is not yet in the us. I have a proto type.
This message was posted from a Nokia
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Posted: 2003-02-27 04:15:00
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The P800 does not have an edge over the 3650- that is, an edge that's worth the extra money.
I personally love the 3650- the features are MORE than ample for 99% of users, and I would more readily afford one.
Each to their own...
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Posted: 2003-02-27 04:18:00
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Know what guys? I think all these talks and comparisons are good if you are shopping for a phone but it all boils down to your needs and wants. The phone that fills your needs and wants the best will be the best for you.
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Posted: 2003-02-27 04:59:00
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