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fijbert Posts: > 500

I didnt read through any of that garbage
the mere thought that u even believe that something we can create can hv such a graviational pull means u r a total dumb ass and r just spitting out random words that u dont even know the meaning to...

THE MATRIX TAKES PLACE IN THE YR 3000!! R U CLAIRVOYANT!?!?!? do u know what kind of tech we will hv in 1000yrs?? did the machinery they hv attract the sun into crashing into us??? I hate ppl who try to kill a movie like dat.. it was a genius idea, and the fact that it takes place in 3000 makes it VERY possible..
I am a strong believer in robots taking over the world.. our own greed and idiotie shall lead humanity to it's own destruction.. we hv chosen to act like savages, and so our faith is well deserved...

as for ur time travel theories.. READ UP on the 4th Dimension jacko.. and it's called the grandfather paradox.. not the ancestor paradox...
hv u ever heard of time gates, quantum tunneling?? read up on stuff before u act like a smart ass...

time travel is a misleading term.. it's really multiverse travelling...

2 posts and he already managed to piss me off...
not a good start buddy...
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Posted: 2003-03-18 02:51:00
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Raven Posts: > 500

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On 2003-03-18 02:27, toughluck wrote:
And as for those 'dream theories' - I was pondering them some time ago, but those paradoxes I mentioned would simply be more than enough to outright ban that theory. Anyway - another one, off the top of my head (I thought it up during a discussion with my fiancee) - imagine your alter ego having the same life as you. Now - imagine your job to be a desk clerk. Imagine a sleepless night - one of those that you sleep for fifteen minutes, then wake up for twenty, fall asleep for five, wake up for two - imagine that other person suddenly falling asleep at the desk, the moment they would be servicing a client.


And time travel:
Reductio ad absurdum: not about the twins paradox, or the 'kill your ancestor' one.


About time-travel, all the contradictions you mentioned, wouldn't that just be one of the reasons to actually question the existence of time itself?

And about the "dream/parallel universe theory", did you consider the possibility of multible alter-ego's? If I fall asleep right now, dreaming of big green gello balls chasing me down a hill, one of my alter-ego's will be experiencing it in that very moment. And when he dreams of a guy going to the grocery store, that might be me, tomorrow perhaps. Another of my alter ego guys might be reunited with some of his high school friends later tonight during my sleep, and another one, let's say a girl, will be having sex with her room-mate(also a girl) thanks to me. And tomorrow that same alter-ego girl might also be having a wet dream about some guy doing her, and that will be me getting lucky in my little world/part of the universe.
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Posted: 2003-03-18 04:10:00
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toughluck Posts: 2

My, my, fijbert, aren't we fast to lose our temper?
First of all - regardless of anything, even if there is artificial intelligence, would it be capable of abstract thought? I mean - actually invent something new in the field of computers, not just enhance human ideas? And there is a border to as far as computer size can go. It is - you guessed it - atom size. Regardless of anything, it will still take AT LEAST one atom to process ONE OTHER atom. That means that the computer would have to be AT LEAST the size of THE UNIVERSE. 1000 years? What is going to change in 1000 years? Will atoms get 10 to the 10000000000000 power smaller, and will time go three times slower to allow necessary processing power in a compact unit? And - development would be done by machines, not by humans. Artificial Intelligence - perhaps, but will machines have artificial sentience, being capable of abstract thought? I do not think so. Ergo - they will never break barriers that would be set by their creators.
Machines can get tedious calculations out of the way, some are capable of intelligence (albeit very poor), but not of abstract thought.
All in all, the only possibility for a machine to have abstract thoughts is when it would be connected to a live human brain with digital extensions. But the person would have to know about that matrix to concentrate their thoughts on actual thinking, not on living - raw brain matter would be unusable to a computer, as it would not have sentience. But even then to simulate the universe, they would require that giant computer.
But - you didn't bother to read through, so why should I talk with you?

As for the time travel - contradictions are enough not to ban the theory of no actual time existence, but they also cannot prove that. As someone stated before: science cannot be based on assumptions.
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Posted: 2003-03-18 17:14:00
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