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no one wins in war, i was proud to see filipino broadcast journalists deliviring the news straightg from iraq This message was posted from a WAP device
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Posted: 2003-03-20 14:13:00
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well, all I can say is the US has no right 2 just attack ne1 This message was posted from a WAP device
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Posted: 2003-03-20 14:16:00
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On 2003-03-20 14:16, fijbert wrote:
well, all I can say is the US has no right 2 just attack ne1


Correct.. The US (and UK... but the UK is just a blind Bush follower) can not decied to attack a country without UN backing, and doing this anyway is clearly breaking the UN charter and international laws. If Iraq is to be attacked it should be a decision made by the UN securtiy council. When countries start acting with force on their own agendas it becomes very dangerous to world stability.

Just by performing the attacks wtihout UN backing puts US in the same league as the other countries breaking the UN charters.
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Posted: 2003-03-20 14:28:00
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I've always believe that in war, true enemy is war itself. Now im all mixd up. :-l This message was posted from a T68i
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Posted: 2003-03-20 14:35:00
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@ Azary

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They haven't been disproved either. No one on this discussion board can prove or disprove this completely. But the US government apparently has sufficient evidence of this that it feels it needed to wage war. Keep in mind, the UK is a part of this effort as well. They must have their own evidence.


Not even the US can prove anything. With all their efforts (and money) put in to this matter, they still haven't been able to proof any Weapons of massdestruction or any ties to Al-Quaida. If they had any proofs they would most surely show them to the world, and get the backing of UN. But they haven't proved anything now, have they? Well... innocent until proven otherwise is one of the foundations of democracy. The US govermenents views on democracy is laughable.

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I'm not surprised that Osama and Saddam hate each other. They hate everybody. Perhaps they do have different views on certain things, but that doesn't mean that they disagree when it comes to damaging the United States.


They most probably want to hurt the US. But for them to work together that is highly unlikely and just pure speculation. You can't start a war on specualtions.

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It's not meant to be revenge for 9/11. It's meant to squash any further potential damage to our nation. The US does not wage war on other nations just for the hell of it. There are significant reasons for doing what we're doing.


And Iraqi military is very powerful right? After the last gulf war Iraq doesn't have much of an army left. And no weapons of mass destruction has been found, not even hints of Iraq having them has been shown.

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Well, I don't know what to say to that, other than the difficult thing here, is that we civilians, regardless of what nation we come from, really don't have enough perspective on everything to know what ALL is true and what isn't. Governments are made up of men that put their pants on the same way we do and are subject to mistakes now and then just like you and I are. Every nation makes their mistakes, but we do not have a history of waging war on other nations for no reason. We have been more than patient with Saddam.


Sure, but when the evidence used to attack another country are fakes or just plain lies then the mistakes are quite serious. I remeber how Bush senior claimed that the Iraqi army killed babies in their incubators just before the Gulf War in 1991. People were horrified by the brutality of the Iraqi army and the support for the war increased. After the war this was proven to be nothing more than plain lies, and that didn't get much media coverage.

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Posted: 2003-03-20 14:48:00
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And thats the problem, we don't know the truth. As far as US giving out hard evidence, if giving the info out could undermine agents or informents then they are not going to are they! Still think the US & UK should have waited a bit longer within UN but if France would VETO any military action then it seriously diminishes power of UN. This message was posted from a P800
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Posted: 2003-03-20 15:15:00
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Sadam has relationship with al-qaieda

loooooooooooooooooooool

This is a very funnnnny joke

just dont try to say that at to any arabian citizen beacause he will laught at u.

well that shows that your media is doing a great job to make u belive this.

And if your goverment keep used this foolish deplomatic with the world communtiy ....there will be another 9\11


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Posted: 2003-03-20 15:17:00
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On 2003-03-20 15:15, psikey wrote:
And thats the problem, we don't know the truth. As far as US giving out hard evidence, if giving the info out could undermine agents or informents then they are not going to are they! Still think the US & UK should have waited a bit longer within UN but if France would VETO any military action then it seriously diminishes power of UN.


I agree with you that eventual evidence could undermine agents if they were given to the public. But if there are any evidence why didn't they just show them to France, Russia, China etc (they wouldn't have to show them to the public). That wouldn't hurt their agents. And France, Russia and China would most probably agree with the US if they actually got some proofs.
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Posted: 2003-03-20 15:46:00
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On 2003-03-20 12:12, gadgetboytom wrote:
we all know he wont respond to polite questioning and 18 resolutions later nothing has changed.

first him then south korea.

Then after this america need to look at their attitude regarding other nations.



SOUTH KOREA? U MEAN NORTH ....or maybe i just didnt get your point

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[ This Message was edited by: jbendaou on 2003-03-20 14:53 ]
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Posted: 2003-03-20 15:52:00
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@ppcrockar

Don't you think that France threatening to VETO any form of military action was a bit daft and in some respects increased the likelyhood of the US/UK/others to just go for military option instead of continuing with UN discussions?

Like threating someone who is scared of being bitten with a big guard dog which has had its teeth removed.

Comes down to US trusting France, Russia, China enough to divulge intelligence.

Like to think that UK/Blair is going along with it because they know something! As politicians go I think Blair is OK and hope he is not just blindly following US out of some duty!

[ This Message was edited by: psikey on 2003-03-20 15:22 ]
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Posted: 2003-03-20 16:12:00
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