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On 2004-07-20 03:42:17, stewart01 wrote:
@Boinng
Erm, actually, I can spread viruses / worms to windows machines...
I email infected documents / executables to a windows user.. they open the attachment and the viruses infects their machine.. (assuming they don't have an up to date virus checker)
yes, that's possible, but it's not really much of a risk in the scale of things. the vast majority of viruses are spammed around the world constantly by infected machines, not passed on individually by naughty Mac users.
the security you feel is created only by the obscurity of your operating system; if Macs ever get popular enough, they'll get their viri too - and be decimated by them, if their users are all as ignorant over security as you.
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Posted: 2004-07-20 14:20:07
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@Boinng
Actually, I'm not igorant about viruses, FYI, so, please no personal insults.. I'm not going waste processor time (no matter how small) to protect windows in running virus scanners for outgoing / incoming emails... its their responsiblity - they chose to use an insure OS.
I'm sure as OSX gets more popular there will be more viruses, but the fact is, *Nix based OS are far more secure than windows.. every OS has holes that can be exploited.
Up until XP, windows didn't even have a firewall.. in XP, its even turned off by default - with plenty of ports open!!!! WTF. By default OSX firewall is off BUT WITH NO PORTS OPEN!!!
Classic microsoft... patch 2 for Xp apparently does turn on the firewall by default, but really, no one should be surprised, this is microsoft...
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Posted: 2004-07-20 14:40:16
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I'm not arguing that Mac OS aren't better than Windows. I only use Windows as some games I use need to have DirectX. I would much rather use a more intrinsically secure OS, and have just ditched Internet Explorer for Mozilla. Macs were so good at the time that Microsoft nicked the GUI idea didn't they!
I don't really think anyone envisaged such a networked world at the time with Windows being one of the main OS. With the rate of change in the industry you would have expected a more advanced OS to emerge, but Microsoft effectively killed off a lot of the competition.
But the fact still remains that even virus-savvy Mac users feel complacent about having no virus scanner.
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Posted: 2004-07-20 19:59:42
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@stewart01 - the proliferation of viruses for any platform is everyone's concern, whichever computer or OS you use, since the Net is increasingly choked by the spam that results. Whoever causes it, we all have to deal with it, and your "I'm alright Jack" attitude is (a) false, and (b) endangering yourself more than anyone else.
You admit there are bound to be viruses for your computer soon, and yet you refuse to run a virus checker in case it helps out somebody else - well more fool you, frankly. You're either ignorant of the issues, or extremely stupid - whichever you prefer.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2004-07-21 13:27 ]
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Posted: 2004-07-21 14:25:19
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It is true, that any OS can get infected with viruses. However, on some OS:es this is easier than on others. Likewise, once a you get infected, on some OS:es a virus can cause more damage than on others.
An antivirus SW only protects agains known viruses. Not against unknown. Installing such SW only makes sense on OS:es known to have many viruses around causing a lot of problems. Neither Linux or Mac OS X will ever experience such problems as Windows do.
Read in the link below why (I know I posted it earlier as well).
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
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Posted: 2004-07-21 15:14:05
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In my country they say that much speeaking is makeing you poor. windows are popular that is the reason there are so many viruses at them. So software companies are makeing money from the antiviruses. there are very few antiviruses in mac or linux because the market does not ask for them. AND NOW LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING WHAT IS MAKEING THE VIRUSES... Have you ever think of that, I cant beliave that there are people that they are waisting there time to create a viruse wihtout haveing an efort.
CONCLUTION: If uiq phones are going to be so popular as PCs and Windows, there are going to be viruses to.
And if tere not some company that wants to sell an antiviruse is going to create a few..
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Posted: 2004-07-21 15:27:54
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In my country we say, if you don't get your facts straight and understand what you are buying you will by the pig in the sack.
You did not take the time to read the link I posted, did you ?
At least for Linux I know F-Secure has an Linux antivirus SW (without knowing aginst what viruses it actually protect). But extremely few uses it (mostly frightened ex. windows users).
The main reason viruses are spreading so fast and easely in Windows its due to poor security thinking and poor SW design (and I don't talk about pure SW bugs here).
A virus can only survive if its growth rate is greater than its death rate. Its only then it can possess a real threat. This is true in Windows, but not in e.g. Linux where a virus would be dead by the time an antivirus update is available.
Please, read the link I provided above and we can proceed talking.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2004-07-21 15:15 ]
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Posted: 2004-07-21 16:11:06
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The fact though is that a bluetooth virus so far would require you to press 'confirm install' at least a couple of times, so anyone who gets infected deserves all they get....
I wonder how long it will be before a download site offers an infected .sis file - so while you think you are installing a new game/program, you actually have an extra payload installed.
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Posted: 2004-07-21 21:49:47
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this is funny! I dont have a MS OS so I dont need to worry!
Virus's developers are like marketing managers! You make a product you want a wide market to sell it, so when you make a virus you want a wide market to destroy! Now, build a nice little MS virus and wipe out 10,000,000 pC or make a symbian and wipe out a few 10,000 at most.
There are so many different virus out there some of the worse ones a just plain out programs. I could make a games and within that game a program to delete you contacts,emails, or why no just format your memory. So here you are on your PXoo download this great game and install it!
Bang - Your dekcuf!(mirror affect!).
Now, the word would get around and then this bad little program would get added to the bad list of viruses(2 at present!)! So the person that downloads this anti virus scanner and then see's this great game, downloads it and the scanner says, wait a min! this game contacts that very little bad virus that kills(formats) you memory!
So..... its up to you! if you want it or not! You only need one person from a nokia to say, SE sucks Im going make a virus for there px00!
kcuf, if you really want to do something smart, make a tracker install file free and have a link from this site to it saying its free here dont pay, smae file name, same details on installing it, doesnt install it, deletes everything!
anyway. do as you wish.
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Posted: 2004-07-22 08:44:39
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