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I suggest those interested in this feature e-mail SE and suggest it to them. If they receieve a lot of requests for it, i'm sure they'll consider it. They aren't mind readers, after all.
Regards,
-djkizlive
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Posted: 2005-01-03 19:47:13
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Nuno,
I think your suggestion is very close to the solution of what I wanted. Could you please give some details on how to setup the "profiles" and how to schedule the profiles to be activated. Thanks a lot.
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Posted: 2005-01-03 20:15:37
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On 2005-01-03 18:50:50, nunopresley wrote:
To answer the topic, the alternative I use is Magic Profiles. I have a "normal" profile and a "flight" profile. At 0:00 on workdays it is schedulled to activate the "flight" profile (simple flight mode, disconnected from the network, and, as was reffered, the least battery spending mode) and at 8:00 it activates the "normal" profile (phone on, with sound, bluetooth on, etc).
I agree...
Magic profiles is great! Ok it can't turn your phone on/off but it can do a lot of other things automatic like turn to flight mode, silent, turn on/off bluetoth, etc...
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Posted: 2005-01-03 21:12:10
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djkizlive: dude, you're too radical. seriously
ok, a correct answer to this topic could be: probably no, because SE decided not to implement that option on the P series. as simple as that. but djkizlive, please please don't think you know everything. And man, think about the examples you're gonna use before actually writing them down.
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Edit: You cannot expect a phone to 'Wake-up' when it is not sleeping. When it's off, it's off. Sorry about my blunt attitude, but you're asking for something which is not possible
So you're positive that your Pxxx completely dies when you turn it off?? No clock? What happens when the phone is off and you plug it to the charger? (i'm talking about how it magically decides to turn the screen on and show the battery icon)
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It's not too hard to understand though, it's like asking your PC to wake you up at a specified time when it's turned off. It's just not going to happen.
nice point. do nokias have BIOS?
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I'm not talking about a BIOS, i'm talking about software waking up an electronic device. If our P900's had a configurable BIOS chip in them like PC's, i'm sure you'd have your alarm capability, but i'm referring to software waking up either device, it's just not going to happen.
you're not completely wrong there, but dude, you dont have to be offending. If SE wanted to implement an option to wake up at a certain time or after some time in the P series, i think we still wouldnt have a BIOS that we could see and play with, we would probably have C functions that could SET or READ the state of the clock (yeah, the one that makes NOKIAS wake up when the alarm is on, even if they are “completely off”)
I'm sorry if I'm the one being radical now, but i just hate when people call out “their truth” in forums and make others feel bad about their questions (or answers)
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Posted: 2005-01-04 01:55:09
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jesus man, calm down....the P900 is off when its off. Not like the nokias (which sort of snooze). And no you couldn't check the state of the clock because there is no bios on the P900.
Leave off djkizlive at least he's trying to help.
Take Care - Cn2
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Posted: 2005-01-04 02:03:52
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On 2005-01-04 01:55:09, bigbjesus wrote:
djkizlive: dude, you're too radical. seriously
ok, a correct answer to this topic could be: probably no, because SE decided not to implement that option on the P series. as simple as that. but djkizlive, please please don't think you know everything. And man, think about the examples you're gonna use before actually writing them down.
I'm sorry you feel this way, but i don't think i'm 'radical' at all. I most certainly don't know everything either. I have many posts on Esato asking for help from it's members. As for my examples, i don't see a problem with the example of a phone 'sleeping', seeing as though it's the example millions of other people use for their Nokia's and other various phones.
Perhaps you should consider your example of a P900 being switched off. You referred to it as 'completely dies'.
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So you're positive that your Pxxx completely dies when you turn it off?? No clock? What happens when the phone is off and you plug it to the charger? (i'm talking about how it magically decides to turn the screen on and show the battery icon)
I'm no SE engineer but i'm convinced the Pxx0 is in an OFF state when the phone is turned off. There would be minimal power running through the mainboard of the phone, and thats as OFF as a phone can get. There is a clock when your P900 is off, which is kept running by a tiny button cell battery on the mainboard itself, and is redundant of the phones battery.
When you plug the charger into your Pxx0, the power from the charger enters the mainboard, and sends a command to the processor that the phone is in a CHARGE state, or something similar. This makes the phone boot up and show the charging icon. This action was influenced by an external signal source (The charger), and such a signal could not be generated by the phone itself, which is in an OFF state.
As there is no operating system running on the device while it is in this state, i conclude that the possibility of the device being able to wake itself up being very slim. All phones have a BIOS (Basic Input/Output System), because they all have input/output devices. However the P900's BIOS does not have advanced power management like the BIOS' in todays computers to enable it to wake up.
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nice point. do nokias have BIOS?
Nokia phones also have a very basic form of a BIOS, but i believe these have some form of a hardware device to send the signal and enable the phone to 'wake up'. These have very simple operating systems which means its simple to integrate.
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you're not completely wrong there, but dude, you dont have to be offending. If SE wanted to implement an option to wake up at a certain time or after some time in the P series, i think we still wouldnt have a BIOS that we could see and play with, we would probably have C functions that could SET or READ the state of the clock (yeah, the one that makes NOKIAS wake up when the alarm is on, even if they are “completely off”)
I'm sorry if I'm the one being radical now, but i just hate when people call out “their truth” in forums and make others feel bad about their questions (or answers)
Nothing in what i have said is offending. Again, sorry if i've made you feel this way, but you've caught the wrong end of the stick.
If the P900 had the ability to wake itself up and act as an alarm clock, i'm sure SE would have included this simple feature in this particular series of phones. It has an alarm clock and has obviously been thought about. This does not work when the phone is switched off, so i think this concludes that it is not possible.
Perhaps in the next series of phones from SE, they will implement some form of standby, or an updated BIOS in the phone to support an alarm clock to wake the phone.
I hope you all find this useful, and if anything i have said is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I'm not trying to make anybody feel bad about their questions, and in fact it is a very good one, hence the amount of posts in here.
Good luck with waking up in the morning!
-djkizlive
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http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=79444[ This Message was edited by: djkizlive on 2005-01-04 01:20 ]
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Posted: 2005-01-04 02:19:05
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longines88,
Another lack in the P910, besides not being able to "wake up" when it's off
, is the profiles that you can find in almost every mobile phone (not just Nokias
). An alternative is using the 3rd party software Magic Profiles that can be found here:
http://www.symbianwave.com
It works great and you can schedule any profile to a certain time. In Magic Profiles Pro you can even set profiles to a certain geographic area (almost as GPS but not as precise, it uses "GSM cell ids to recognize your location within a network").
You can find this application very easy to use.
Cheers.
Nuno
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Posted: 2005-01-04 10:29:46
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djkizlive, sorry for my post. bad day i guess
lets keep helping each other
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Posted: 2005-01-04 12:47:04
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No problem
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Posted: 2005-01-04 13:15:30
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I don't think its too much to ask for. My wife's Handspring phone has this facility (with added software) . To switch off the phone part (Flight mode to us) automatically to save battery life. and its something i'm looking for also for the symbian OS. Perhaps Majic profiles is worth a try.
I've only had this P910 for a few months and it seems to have failed to develop much since the days of my Psion Series 5 in a lot of ways.
Oh well.... thats life.
Jeff
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Posted: 2005-01-04 17:54:37
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