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I know, it's all just speculation but sometimes I do wonder about peoples common sense.


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Posted: 2009-06-03 23:04:30
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Ummm.... No.

Check out any decent digicam review and scroll through the spec list. There's something called available megapixels and then there's another one called effective megapixels.

Available megapixels always > effective megapixels.

I could explain the whole thing, but it would be totally out of topic for this thread. In any case, as mentioned several times by now; it makes no sense to discuss such matters before the phone is actually out.
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Posted: 2009-06-04 02:31:51
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Don't you bother to read Apolloa's links either?



In other words, 12.25 is the number that anyone using that Exmor module would use. Available pixels may well be higher, but neither the effective nor available pixels on this Exmor equal 12.1.
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Posted: 2009-06-04 11:16:32
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Again, that wouldn't make an ounce of difference if the hardware platform is capable of resolving only 12.1 pixels.

For christ's sake, please hold off such speculations/ discussions until the phone actually hits the market!
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Posted: 2009-06-04 11:28:03
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Did anyone see where that dummy went?



Actually I think you need to read it again, because you still haven't understood it - Sony Ericsson is a separate company which is 50% owned by Sony, and 50% by Ericsson. Those are the facts - what part doesn't make sense? I have *never* said Sony had nothing to do with SE, I'm just making the factual point that they are not SE's sole lords and masters, and they are not the same company as SE either.



Firstly, it's impossible to prove a negative, and nobody is able to prove anything until or unless SE or Sony make some kind of statement (or somebody physically takes the phone apart and shows us the module). But nevertheless, here are some pretty salient facts once again -

1. The Satio was first demonstrated (as the idou) a full month BEFORE the Exmor was released to manufacturers, and had clearly been in development several months before that.

2. The Emor boasts 12.25 effective MP, the Satio only 12.1. Yes, that could be a limitation of the Satio's hardware platform, but then if that's the case, why the hoopla over the Exmor sensor at all if the Satio's hardware can't justify it? Isn't it more likely the Satio just uses a 12.1MP sensor that SE were able to source more easily elsewhere?

3. Let's drum that point home again - Sony Ericsson and Sony are two different companies working to two different aims. SE's sole aim as a company is to make as much profit as possible for both Sony and Ericsson shareholders, meaning they can't just base everything around what's best for Sony. If for any reason it's not practical/possible/beneficial to SE's bottom line to use an Exmor in the Satio they won't use it.



It's a discussion forum, deal with it

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Posted: 2009-06-04 13:01:01
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lol, no need to be passive aggressive and then mask it with a smiley, dude. You ARE shooting at shadows and I just pointed it out.

The difference between 12.25MP and 12.1MP is so minute, you sill only notice it in pixel dimensions. There's no harm in using a sensor of the former capacity in a platform that supports the latter. A disparity of a few megapixels? We're talking.


SE and Sony may be 2 different companies, but Sony wouldn't develop, let alone mass produce a camera phone-centric part without consulting their JV and largest client. Not unless they have an assured order for a minimum number of units from another client (Like how they make sensors for Nikon for use in their DSLRs). Common business logic dictates it. It's not about SE doing what's best for Sony. It's the other way around. You've got the priorities all wrong there.
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Posted: 2009-06-04 13:26:46
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@boiing. I was under the impression that SE wasn't a company but a JV. Isn't there a difference?

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Posted: 2009-06-04 13:27:03
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Not really - joint ventures can be formed in different ways, perhaps as partnership or some other looser arrangement, but in SE's case it's a company in its own right, legally distinct from both Sony and Ericsson.
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Posted: 2009-06-04 14:17:21
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But that's the point - the difference is so small, nobody really cares or would even notice, so why wouldn't you use the higher number in your marketing? If the sensor in the Satio was the 12.25MP Exmor, SE would be perfectly justified in writing 12.25MP on the box, and have already distinguished their camera from the paltry 12.1MP Pixon that Samsung are about to push out. Why haven't they?

Incidentally, who's making the sensor in that Pixon12, which also boasts exactly 12.1MP and is coming out earlier than the Satio?



The fact that the Exmor isn't in the Satio doesn't mean that the Exmor isn't going to be in any number of other SE phones in the future, or indeed in a billion LG's, HTC's, Samsungs, or whatever else.

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Posted: 2009-06-04 14:29:19
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^^Do you have any proof that the Sartio doesnt have an Exmor?? The C905 had an exmor and SE didnt release any model numbe for it. With Sony getting more involved in evrything here, i would expect Sony to specifically deliver a module for Satio.
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Posted: 2009-06-04 14:34:56
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