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Because the device only takes images upto the smaller number, perhaps? Re-read the point about the hardware limitation. For the umpteenth time, this is too damn early to speculate on this matter!



Samsung makes CMOS's too, you know?



That's not a fact, that's your opinion. You don't have a cross section of the Satio to back that claim up. When you do, I'll pay heed. Fair enough?


BTW, "EXMOR" is only a brandname Sony uses for their sensors. The lack of branding doesn't necessarily mean the sensor isn't made by Sony or is an inferior version.

Sony sells 10MP CCDs to Nikon, uses the same in the Alpha200 with minor changes and calls it Exmor.
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Posted: 2009-06-04 14:45:21
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I have to agree with waiting till the phone is released before arguing over the camera.

If I remember well the C905 had its module changed just before launch after it was announced with a different one, so, changes can and do take place some times.
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Posted: 2009-06-04 16:33:48
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@Boingg, best post I've read from you in a long time - well put precise and slices!

I just hope with all this camera talk ppl are not buying the Satio just cause of the camera!! It IS a VERY capable smartphone and multimedia device too you know.
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Posted: 2009-06-04 18:24:21
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I agree. Its not just a camphone.

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Posted: 2009-06-04 18:26:14
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I do not think about the flagship phone that way. Flagship phone is what I anticipate most from a cell phone manufacturer. I expect it to have top notch features for its time and a cool design. In Satio case, it is the first that I can consider a true high-end or flagship after three years from Sony Ericsson. Yes, many people expected it to surpass other offerings from Nokia, Samsung and Apple, including me. It actually did when the Idou concept was announced (which later changed to Satio); it took everyone by surprise. But when SE finally announced the complete specification of the phone and its new name, I was, like some of the people here, disappointed. Why? Of all the SE phones, Satio does not have built-in 3.5mm jack. The video recording is only VGA at 3Ofps and in H.263 format. Other features of the symbian phone is mediocre.

I know many forumers here at Esato would say that it has been argued few times before whether 3.5mm jack is essential or not but let's take a look at Iphone. Does anyone here think that the built-in 3.5mm jack contributed to the Iphone success? I do. Aside from the cool touch interface, 3.5mm jack is part of the success because one of Iphone selling point is the inclusion of Ipod capabilities. Ipod of course has the headset jack built in. Music experience in Ipod and Iphone would not be the same without the headset jack built-in. Apple is wise enough not to do what SE is doing: using an 3.5mm adapter. Having 3.5mm headset jack built-in on a music player makes listening to music simpler; the dongle just makes it uncomfortable. Although answering incoming calls while using the built-in head jack is not possible owing to the lack of microphone on the headset, still what are the chances of recieving a call on the phone while using the music player application? Probably, one in a thousand. Besides, people can always remove the headset, and hold their phone against their ears or SE can make a high quality earphone with mic. Using a bluetooth headset may seem to be quite a solution to this little problem but it consumes much power than just using the an ordinary headset. The cellphone battery nowadays does not seem to last, and the latest bluetooth still uses power quite much. I am aware that the wireless headsets will sooner or later replace the traditional wired headset but until that day, I hope SE have the 3.5mm jack built-in in their high-end phones.

Another thing that I got disappointed at is the video recording. We all know that the Omap hardware of Satio is capable of recording at D1 (720x480 pixels) resolution but instead SE opted for VGA. I cannot understand why SE is limiting video recording capability of Satio. Would it very hard to make Satio record video at D1 resolution when technically speaking it is very able to do so? Also, why SE still use the H.263 format not H.264 in video coding? H.264 is higher in quality than the H.263 format. SE feature phones such as W800 supported the playback of H.264 first than the Symbian 60 phones back then. Now, SE has not made any phones yet that record videos in H.264 format. I actually expected that Satio would be able to record video at 720p at 30fps because it is equipped with 12 megapixel camera and Samsung OmniaHD records video at that resolution but then again SE chose VGA. I know that it is impossible to make Satio record at 720p but I hope SE increase its video recording capability to D1 plus add more fps option like 120 and 1/8.

Satio other features seem to be mediocre. The battery capacity is only 1000mAh which is lower compared to other phones with similar screen resolution that uses 1500mAh such as N97 and OmniaHD. Satio battery will surely drain faster; the screen resolution is VGA, twice the resolution of W995's screen, a phone that uses almost the same battery capacity. Also, the media manager does not seem to get upgraded much. It looks like the same as the on A200 interface. It would actually nice if SE made Satio's media manager resembles the W960's. Aside from the media manager and battery, the internal memomy is only 128mb. Although it comes with 8 gigabyte MicroSD card, I prefer to have bigger internal memory plus microSD slot. Furthermore, media go has to be used to transfer movies onto the phone wherein the OmniaHD can do it by drag and drop. Transfering movies without converting them should work flawlessy on Satio because it uses the powerful Omap 3430 cpu. In addition, Satio does not support divx and xivd movie format. LG Viewty, two year old feature phone, supports that format but why not Satio. Ironically, Satio is advertise for its movie playback but it does not support divx and xvid format. I just some Satio features will be more advanced.

The competition nowadays is really tough. I cannot even find any features of Satio that surpasses the offerings from other manufacturer. I know Satio is still far away from being complete, but for sure SE will not change the features much. I just hope that they put these comments into consideration. Some may find my petty sentiments as lame but they cannot deny the fact that there is truth in them.
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Posted: 2009-06-05 01:33:23
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Sometimes, superiority in paper specs does not translate well into sales. See: Innov8.
And sometimes, mediocre hardware wouldn't prevent a handset from becoming a phenomenon. See: iPhone.


This egg is quite some time away from being hatched. That's all I'm saying.

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Posted: 2009-06-05 05:04:46
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I would re-phrase what you said about having high spec sheet and poor sales to "It is not enough for a mobile phone just to have a high end features in order to sell well; It has also to be 'unique'." If you remember, most of the iconic mobile phones are high -end. They are the N95 and 6600 which are unique in their own way.

First and foremost, Innov8 did not sell well because it is "boring." The only thing new about Innov8 was its camera. The rest of its features had already been introduced before by Nokia (GPS and VGA video recording resolution) and LG (Divx/xvid support and Slow motion video recording). Samsung seemed to forget to make it "special." They just crammed all the hot features back then and added 8 megapixel camera in Innov8.

About the Iphone,I disagree that it has a mediocre hardware. In fact, when it was released it had an unparalled GPU and CPU, and amazing capacitive touchscreen. It beat N95 and other phones back then, and even up to now (not in camera). Also, Iphone is successful because it is not just a phone with a high-end spec sheet. A mobile phone user would actually feel that Iphone is high-end upon using it; It offers a "unique" experience.



If it is a chicken's egg, it will be a chick when it hatches; it is still a chicken. It will not be a duck or alligator or snake.
Considering the way they have been in the past, SE is not the type that would make big changes on their phones once they have announced it. Whatever Satio is now, that is pretty much what we can expect when it starts selling.

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Posted: 2009-06-05 08:10:24
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By your own logic, the Satio is anything but boring. Because SE has apparently worked the UI out in a way that it's worlds away from Nokia and Samsung S60 phones. The USER EXPERIENCE would ultimately decide the Satio's fate, much like the iPhone like you said.

The truth is, all this cribbing about numbers would only last for a while and that too, on the net. If a handset delivers a great user experience, it WILL be a success. VGA/HD whatever video recording notwithstanding.

...and no one's quite ready to classify about what kinda egg this is, yet.
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Posted: 2009-06-05 09:47:44
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New Preview from GSM Arena:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_satio_idou-review-358.php







"At 111 x 54 x 15 mm the Sony Ericsson Satio fits comfortably in most pockets without causing too much of a bulge. It's about what you would expect of a 3.5" touchscreen handset and the extra girth around the camera lens is not much of a burden, given the 12 megapixel sensor."

"The plastic used on the Satio is obviously of very high quality and we've no reason to question the handset's looks and reliability. By the way, we can hardly imagine what a load the Satio would have been if it was made of steel or some other metal."

"The 3.5" 16M-color resistive touchscreen is undoubtedly one of the highlights of the device. It has stunning picture quality with incredible brightness and excellent contrast for a TFT unit. Images look impressively vibrant on it."

"We were certainly hoping for a 3.5mm standard jack and a microUSB for data and charging but to no avail.

At least the memory card slot is covered by a plastic lid so it won't fill up with dust and dirt. Plus, the Satio is yet another recent Sony Ericsson handset to move away from the Memory Stick Micro M2 storage. We really like the way Sony Ericsson are going recently."

"As we managed to confirm, the camera performance of the Satio is nothing short of impressive and the handset can fully replace a mid-range point-and-shoot digicam."

"Removing the battery cover reveals the 1000 mAh Li-Po BST-33 battery. The battery is able to power up the handset for almost two days with Bluetooth constantly turned on and email syncing at regular intervals."

"The handset feels perfectly in hand and, contrary to what you may've guessed, the thicker upper half of the handset doesn't upset balance and comfortable grip."

"The photo gallery is definitely among the best we've seen with great customization capabilities and features."

"Viewing photos is a joy with the Satio, especially when browsing images fullscreen."

"The Sony Ericsson Satio comes with the Walkman music player with all its extras and eye-candy."

"Strangely enough the Satio offered neither equalizers nor alternative visualizations. Those are however quite likely to appear in the final version of the handset."

"The video player on the Sony Ericsson Satio has pretty limited functionality compared to the one found on the company's features phones. It has neither slow-mo playback nor screenshot capabilities.

Our real grudge with the video player however is that there's no DivX and XviD support - what can we say, LG and Samsung handsets have definitely spoiled us.

When it comes to the watching experience itself, the Satio is nothing short of flawless. High resolution, excellent image quality and 16:9 aspect ratio make for a really nice video combo indeed."

"As we found out, the Satio manages to outperform the INNOV8, albeit by not such a wide margin. Satio managed to resolve more detail with pretty much similar noise levels while in all other aspects the two handsets were virtually on par. Considering the pre-release version of the Satio, this is quite an achievement."

"The quality of the videos is really great with almost unmatched amount of resolved detail, very good contrast and precise colors. While the HD capabilities of the Samsung Omnia HD still remain unsurpassed, the Satio is definitely among the top contenders for the world title in the VGA category (once they sort out the nagging framerate issue)."

Video Recording Sample:
http://pic.gsmarena.com/vv/re[....]-idou/camera/gsmarena_v001.mp4

"Web browser has full Flash support"

"Final words
Our brief experience with Sony Ericsson Satio left us happy and waiting for more of the same - we really hope to get a second glimpse of it for a more detailed review, once it hits the market. Our initial impressions are quite positive and competitors will have to do quite some efforts in order to compete with it.

However there are at least 4 months left until the Satio actually hits the shelves. For a dynamic market that may just be too long - the competitors have plenty of time to react accordingly. Samsung i8910 Omnia HD has already headed to a successful market launch and Samsung Pixon12 won't be too late either.

At this stage Sony Ericsson Satio is not a finished product and fixing all the little buggy bits may mean the difference between making or braking its success. Release timing is equally important and we hope Sony Ericsson don't let us down on that one as well.

The perspectives for Sony Ericsson Satio are more than good but Sony Ericsson better not waste their time as another failure might be fatal for the already troubled company."

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Posted: 2009-06-05 20:53:15
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really nice preview
and it's nice to see that the camera really performs well
really good quality
video qualtiy comparable with Lg renoir(wich haves the best vga) and this is really nice

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Posted: 2009-06-05 21:04:19
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