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On 2006-08-24 05:59:00, mib1800 wrote:
they make margin on phones that Nokia can only dream of
I think you got it the other way round.
since you're saying 6233 is cheap therefore k800i should be more capable.. well if s60 devices are more capable then it should be more expensive then k800i right?
You are taking it out of context. What I am saying is 6233 is positioned lower (i.e. spec-wise) in the market segment. s60 is inherently more capable is due to potential of the Symbian OS core.
meaning s40 at it's current maxed out potential equals 6233 and SE UI maxed out equals k800i (no one is talking about better cam and what not.. even the review doesn't give points for those factors. (it was a tie in the review 1 for nokia video, 1 for se cam))
I only have the following which I find about
UI comparison are not valid:-
- he gives 2 points to K800 for webbrowser+rss which is a bundled netfront software and NOT related to UI/OS.
- he has 2 categories one for Java and one for multi-tasking. If you read his comment in this 2 categories he was just mentioning the same functionality. Both points went to K800.
- he purposely creates an "alarm clock" category which should be group under "Extra" functions. Why should a small "alarm clock" app takes equal weighting as the entire "Organiser". Obviously he gave this point to K800.
Like you say, camera and video recording capability should also not be in the comparison.
alarm clock i agree should be extras...
netfront.. is the browser app that SE has choosen it is the default app therefore intergrated with the UI IMO.. just like how nokia uses a java based email client
java on it's own can multitask sounds like a plus to me
(i can run msn (migg33) and play a java game)
but also multitasking other items (non-java, music, browser, sms, calendar etc.. is also a + IMO)
(i can switch between, music player, respond to sms, open my calendar etc.etc... also seems like a plus. that fact that i can even mix it with java gives another +)
the multitasking is a huge step imo... that makes benificial like a smartphone
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Posted: 2006-08-24 15:29:46
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Lemme giv' ya a one-liner:u really ARE pathetic! Peoples here know why.
This message was posted from a WAP device
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Posted: 2006-08-25 06:43:19
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It comes down to preference ultimately, as mib said it's like pissing in the Amazon.
When talking about the virtues of this interface or that, it's best not to get too wrapped up in any particular model; we want to compare the interface itself not the platform. S60 and UIQ3 are both an interface for symbian - so we are not talking about the virtues of the operating system itself, but the interface that sits on top.
Personally I prefer SE's non-smartphone ui over either Nokia's S40 and S60 interfaces. Apart from the obvious advantages of running on Symbian, S60 leaves me cold.
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Posted: 2006-08-25 09:15:13
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On 2006-08-25 06:43:19, 701 wrote:
Lemme giv' ya a one-liner:u really ARE pathetic! Peoples here know why.
This message was posted from a WAP device
do i even know you? lol ok dude...
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Posted: 2006-08-25 15:36:33
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i have a feeling i was not refering to you but to our anti-se friend lol
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Posted: 2006-08-25 15:40:59
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Quote: the multitasking is a huge step imo... that makes benificial like a smartphone
This I have to agree. SE UI as implemented in K800 is the most capable non-smartphone OS/UI in terms of support for multi-tasking.
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Posted: 2006-08-25 16:12:00
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On 2006-08-25 16:12:00, mib1800 wrote:
Quote: the multitasking is a huge step imo... that makes benificial like a smartphone
This I have to agree. SE UI as implemented in K800 is the most capable non-smartphone OS/UI in terms of support for multi-tasking.
The multitasking in K800 is awesome, but mostly the hoohah is about Java multitasking. Even the K750 et al has excellent multi-tasking ability. SE takes advantage of the fact that JAVA, MP3 PLayer, Camera and Phone all run on separate chips, so the functions can run prallel without the OS actually needing any Multi-Tasking ability. But only one instance of any one chip can run at a time, for example you can use Java, while you listen to MP3, but you can't have two Java apps running (on K750/W900 etc).
On K800, the Java platform CAN run multiple Java apps, but the phone interface is still much the same as on previous or current low end models. You still can't run the Calander then minimise it to run the calculator for example. You can only task switch between JAVA apps, or between chip-based hardware functions, AFAIK.
Still, JAVA multitasking is an exciting development, and non-smartphones may become almost as useful as smartphones with the ability to run multiple java apps, in the foreground and background as needed.
Actual smartphones will become almost obsolete and only needed in the high end market (as they used to be).
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Posted: 2006-08-26 00:52:12
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max:
Quote:Actual smartphones will become almost obsolete and only needed in the high end market (as they used to be).
I think it is the other way round. More and more non-touchscreen smartphones are becoming the norm in mid-end. (s60, wm by samsung & htc, linux like moto e2).
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Posted: 2006-08-26 05:04:13
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On 2006-08-26 00:52:12, max_wedge wrote:
This I have to agree. SE UI as implemented in K800 is the most capable non-smartphone OS/UI in terms of support for multi-tasking. (Edited)
On K800, the Java platform CAN run multiple Java apps, but the phone interface is still much the same as on previous or current low end models. You still can't run the Calander then minimise it to run the calculator for example. You can only task switch between JAVA apps, or between chip-based hardware functions, AFAIK.
Still, JAVA multitasking is an exciting development, and non-smartphones may become almost as useful as smartphones with the ability to run multiple java apps, in the foreground and background as needed. (edited for clarity)
Actual smartphones will become almost obsolete and only needed in the high end market (as they used to be). [ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2006-08-25 23:54 ]
>> Been a long-time my Friendly/intelligent arch nemises in the battle of non/Smartphones.
You've mentioned a major flaw about the SE interface that I sincerely HOPE they can remedy. The lack of ability to Navigate a Calendar App - based in Firmware and the CORE OS - and not minimize it to switch to another Core OS function. (this was a great example, I might want to have a calculation to be posted into a meeting appointment; such as how many hours I've worked. I'd like SE to improve the Calendar app - like the S60 app I forgot; which allowed me to enter my start time & end time of my shift and post the total hours of that shift in the quick view. I'd also love the ability to see an "ajenda" view like that of the RIM BB units just days that have appointments/meetings not blank days for a quick glance. This is where the MS Smartphone Mobile 5 platform has made HUGE strides that even the S60 platform is catching up to. (personally I'd rather have Nokia win that battle than M$; as they tend to flatter SE with copy cat designs).
Touch screen devices will disappear unless drawing or complete gaming interaction can be implemented (a la nintendo DS style for gaming).
> SE no doubt will continue to improve their user interface; I for one currently am suffering with the z520i but upgrading SOON to the w810i; I'm still considering the K790 (i'm in N.A. so the k800 will have no use to me).
So in short I believe Smartphones with creative apps will STILL have a place due to their SUPERIOR application multitasking; BUT SE isnt TOO far behind. However they need to kill off that NetFront browser and implement their complete push email & webbrowsing suite. Moreover, I have YET to see a non TouchScreen/Smartphone phone be able to EDIT office documents (Word/Excel/PowerPoint)!! A great market killer if this can be done.
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Posted: 2006-08-26 06:04:04
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On 2006-08-26 00:52:12, max_wedge wrote:
The multitasking in K800 is awesome, but mostly the hoohah is about Java multitasking. Even the K750 et al has excellent multi-tasking ability. SE takes advantage of the fact that JAVA, MP3 PLayer, Camera and Phone all run on separate chips, so the functions can run prallel without the OS actually needing any Multi-Tasking ability. But only one instance of any one chip can run at a time, for example you can use Java, while you listen to MP3, but you can't have two Java apps running (on K750/W900 etc).
Still, JAVA multitasking is an exciting development, and non-smartphones may become almost as useful as smartphones with the ability to run multiple java apps, in the foreground and background as needed.
Actual smartphones will become almost obsolete and only needed in the high end market (as they used to be).
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[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2006-08-25 23:54 ]
seperate chips?
how's that possible,according to your theory there must be 4 or more chip's in k750,but as i know there is only one arm9 based processor (plus maybe some seperate for fm and gsm which is unlikely).
when mp3 player,browser are all running they share the same physical memory,so how can a os without memory management and multitasking ability run them?
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Posted: 2006-08-26 08:57:37
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