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On 2007-02-11 23:31:25, Dogmann wrote:
SE % of the Symbian smart phone market is so negligible it is hardly worth talking about, as to how many more WM5 devices are sold I'm sure it is far greater than SE's.
According to the Canalys SE had a market share of 5.1% of the total smartphone market in Q4 2006 (an increase from 0.6% in Q4 2005).
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On 2007-02-11 23:31:25, Dogmann wrote:
as to how many more WM5 devices are sold I'm sure it is far greater than SE's.
Its around 14% according to Canalys (Symbian 67%).
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2007-02-15 11:37 ]
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Posted: 2007-02-15 12:29:37
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Quote:Nokia bring out one touchscreen recently, and it runs UIQ 2 for God's sake. If s60 is so good for touchscreen use, why use UIQ2?
For a simple reason that S60 dont support TS.
And the UIQ2 phone you are talking about is rebadged Benq for Asian market . Moto also have a few TS phone for China market. The TS is mainly for inputting chinese text and not a must-have for smartphone per-se.
Quote:I am comparing midrange s60 handsets to midrange SE handsets, not the big guns.
Ok. But your statement correctness is dependent on the tech knowledge of the buyer. Comparing side-by-side specs, S60 still have the advantage.
Quote:I agree that some of the high end Nokia's have better screens, video etc ... N70 series on the other hand has far less of the advantages you claim.
Even mid-range N-series has better screen (size wise) and video than all of SE non-smart range. You should also include time-frame in your apple-to-apple compare. N70 came out at the time of K750 and N70 specs is overall better just like N73 is overall better than K800.
Quote:As developers realise the JAVA platform is true multitasking, and as manufacturers (such as SE who are leading the way) incorporate advanced JAVA api's into their phones, the sky's the limit.
You forgot ONE very crucial info here. Java sits on top and consumes the services provided by the underlying phone OS. Java is only as powerful as what the phone os can do. And S60 is much more powerful than non-smart SE OS.
We still havent seen a Java prog that can do call management or play mp3. A simple java to auto-record phone conversation/in-phone answering machine is also not available let alone a full call manager which I have on my N70 that can filter call, auto-redirect, prompt caller to activate phone options etc.
Quote:For example, on my K750, which doesn't have java multitasking, I can run a java app or take photos while listening to music, minimise Opera Mini to make a phone call, run java apps in the background, minimise JAVA to access pda functions to name but a few handy multi-tasking abilities.
Switching between tasks is just the tip of the iceberg for S60. But can your K750 perform automated task like automatic sending sms at pre-specified time or auto-changing phone profile when it detects a calendar entry having keyword "meeting" --No. But I can on my N70.
For developer using S60 they have the full capability OS at their disposal which means more powerful apps. On the other hand, java is implemented disparately by different vendors with most implementing a small subset.
Quote:but it's the ability to write quickly and efficently on it. I can write on my XDA faster than I can type (about 40wpm)
You should further your fame by taking part in Guiness World Record. I used a WM pda before and there is no way a human can write 40
words per minute or 1.5 word per SECOND (unless all the words are garbled and made up of single letter
) But I bet some kid can with T9 (with predictive text on).
Quote:The screen is extremely tough (touchscreens aren't bare lcd's)
You want to experiment by dropping with LCD facing down on a pavement?
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Posted: 2007-02-16 03:55:52
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mib1800, buddy, there are java apps for:
automated sms sending
mp3 playing
today screen with conection to PIM data
please check the facts before discussing with other people
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Posted: 2007-02-16 10:48:52
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I though this thread was about UIQ and S60 !
@mib1800
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Posted: 2007-02-16 12:37:07
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On 2007-02-14 13:57:50, mib1800 wrote:
@chamak
Quote:now shoot something that a non-touchscreen can do and a touchscreen can't.
How about
1. One-handed use
2. Protected LCD / non-fragile
3. Non-faded screen
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TS has its advantages. But it also comes with baggage like use with both hands, fragile, washed out etc. For business user who needs to enter a lot of text a TS has advantage. For most other users it does not make that much different.
You may prefer a TS but to say a smartphone without TS is less functional is bullock.
as for P990i u can use it single handed with flip on and in TS mode with flip off. So choose the best way of use that goes with the given time.
about fragile, i am definitely not gonna poke the screen with my hardest strength and i think it's a nonsense point.
about washed out screeen, yes i accept. but I personally can live up with that with my highest satisfaction.
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[ This Message was edited by: chamak on 2007-02-16 11:46 ]
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Posted: 2007-02-16 12:43:46
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CORE FEATURES: is what counts...not TS or non-TS :s
SE was always better at this point. Each phone built by SE, you will surely find something new in it...Nokia is bloody boring, lacking this.
However, Nokia beats SE in simplicity (which makes too many people loyal to Nokia)
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Posted: 2007-02-16 13:09:36
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Residentevil Posts: > 500
will continue to promote and support the UIQ platform.
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Posted: 2007-02-16 14:38:23
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Quote: mib1800, buddy, there are java apps for:
automated sms sending
mp3 playing
today screen with conection to PIM data
yeah. but they dont work.
just read that the "today screen" software was a total disappointment because it dont work.
are u talking about the so-called "tweaked" java mp3 player which can only run on moto?
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Posted: 2007-02-16 17:34:06
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So you read one or two people saying "it doesnīt work" and assume thatīs a F...ing FACT???!!! The apps do work, just like others that alow gps navigation, ftp acess, etc
One more proof most of what you write most of the time is completly BS
Look, i have no reason to be defending the java platform vs Symbian, i recently converted to smartphones also, but iīm not a BLIND FANBOY like you to ignore what is obvious: thanks to the new Java Platforms, supposedly "dumb" phones, only with java, are getting closer and closer in features to the smartphones, with the advantage of being smaller, quicker, and cheaper
Get a grip
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Posted: 2007-02-16 17:50:13
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Quote:but iīm not a BLIND FANBOY like you to ignore what is obvious: supposedly "dumb" phones, only with java, are getting closer and closer in features to the smartphones
What a f... joke!!. I am only rebutting the point that Java is as powerful and can do as much as any smartphones. Yes, you may have Java equivalent of a S60/UIQ but the functionality of the Java version is severely limited compared to S60/UIQ. Case in point is gps navigator and IM app.
Your "closer" is still very far away. So stop being an a** by calling someone blind when you dont even use your eyes to read their post properly.
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Posted: 2007-02-16 18:15:40
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