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I sees it as - PORN at my end though
Seriously, I'll go with the N95, no contest !
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Posted: 2007-05-09 01:53:07
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boinng:
Still the crux of matter remains. Why would someone sacrifice all the additional capabilities that N95 offered for just some improvement in input speed? Compounded with the fact that most people are not doing heavy text input or document editing using the phone anyway.
btw: P1 price is reported to be 599 euro. That's very expensive for a phone with specs that is far inferior to N95 (except TS)
Anyway, this is what people at gsmarena got to say about the TS:-
Whether you should choose UIQ for your next smartphone is a matter of discussion and according to us the most controversial point of argument should be the touchscreen functionality. We feel that the toll it takes on navigation usability is greater than the added benefit of handwriting recognition, which is the only feature that really can justify the use of a stylus. Somehow, the smartphone platform cannot really use the stylus efficiently as much as PocketPC does and it turns into more of a deterrent since you have to use both your hands to do things you could have easily done with a simple joystick or a D-pad if one was available.
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2007-05-09 05:40 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-09 05:03:39
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On 2007-05-09 05:03:39, mib1800 wrote:
Still the crux of matter remains. Why would someone sacrifice all the additional capabilities that N95 offered for just some improvement in input speed?
Because:
(a) The "additional capabilities" of the N95 only really amount to a basic GPS service that doesn't suit many people's real needs anyway, and
(b) They're choosing a smartphone because they genuinely want to use it in a productive way, and aren't just buying a toy.
Compounded with the fact that most people are not doing heavy text input or document editing using the phone anyway.
Let me just ask you - if you're not going to use the features of a smartphone regularly anyway (eg document editing, heavy duty messaging etc) why on earth buy a smartphone in the first place? If you just want a good cameraphone, there are better models out there - but if you actually need to work with a smartphone, the P1 will soon be the best all rounder available.
btw: P1 price is reported to be 599 euro. That's very expensive for a phone with specs that is far inferior to N95 (except TS)
(a) it's not "far inferior", it's broadly comparable on everything bar GPS,
(b) if you're serious about needing a smartphone, the touchscreen is worth it.
Anyway, this is what people at gsmarena got to say about the TS:-
They're entitled to their opinion I'm sure, but as a seasoned UIQ user I happen to know that they're wrong
They're also dramatically wrong about the keyboard, as it happens.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2007-05-09 07:50 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-09 08:29:54
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Am i correct in thinking that you can't use the N95's built in GPS for TomTom? And also you have to pay data charges to use the N95's built in navigator with directions?
If so in effect if you prefer to use Tomtom you would still need an external GPS?
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Posted: 2007-05-09 08:41:26
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boinng:
"additional capabilities" of the N95 only really amount to a basic GPS service
Maybe "Additional capabilities" isnt such a good phrase. What I meant was the superior features of N95 like the 5mp, much better video rec, better processor+chipset, better screen, quad-band+hspda, standard jack and port, gps etc.
if you're serious about needing a smartphone, the touchscreen is worth it.
I have a TS WM5 and I dont find the TS so much more functional. Some time I find it a chore when use one-handed. You can use your thumb to tap the screen but the problem is this cause big positional movement of your thumb which can be quite strenous.
They're entitled to their opinion I'm sure, but as a seasoned UIQ user ...
Like you say, you are seasoned user. For those who are new, they certainly would have a hard time with the queer keyboard of P1 and the lacking implementation of TS like the reviewer at gsmarena encountered. He even mentioned that he can type faster using standard T9 than using the keyboard of P1i.
If the P1i sells more expensive than N95 when it comes out, I dont see the attraction of P1 to the general buying public. Some niche user like you may find it attractive.
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Am i correct in thinking that you can't use the N95's built in GPS for TomTom? And also you have to pay data charges to use the N95's built in navigator with directions?
TomTom is coming out with new version which can use the built-in GPS. On screen directional navigation is free for N95. You only have to pay if you want voice-over navigation and city guide.
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Posted: 2007-05-09 11:13:16
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On 2007-05-09 11:13:16, mib1800 wrote:
Maybe "Additional capabilities" isnt such a good phrase. What I meant was the superior features of N95 like the 5mp, much better video rec, better processor+chipset, better screen, quad-band+hspda, standard jack and port, gps etc.
None of which are exactly dealbreakers if you're looking for a decent, workable smartphone. 5mp? 3.2mp? It's all the same on devices like this, these aren't SLR's with pin sharp optics, they're glorified webcams. I guarantee that in a blind test you'd never be able to tell which pictures came from which phone.
Video - I'll give you this, but having a "much better" novelty rather than a "quite good" novelty isn't going to hold any sway with professional users. You aren't going to use either phone to make your next blockbuster movie, you're just going to have some fun with it, and the P1's video cam will be just as much fun as the N95's.
Better processor and chipset? You're talking paper specs again - in the real world, on two quite difference devices running different software, these minute hardware differences are meaningless. Does the N95 have 128mb operating ram like the P1 by the way? Do you not think that might make a real difference in speed and multitasking?
Better screen - where? The P1 is both a touchscreen and a transflective display, making it perfectly usable in bright light - so where's the N95's advantage there?
Quad band and HSPDA - I've never noticed the lack of either in my M600, it's fast and it works wherever I've taken it. I'm not sure if HSPDA even exists where I live, so why would I look for it in a phone?
I have a TS WM5 and I dont find the TS so much more functional. Some time I find it a chore when use one-handed. You can use your thumb to tap the screen but the problem is this cause big positional movement of your thumb which can be quite strenous.
On the M600 and P1 (but notably not the P990) the buttons you might use on the screen when using the phone one-handed are thoughtfully located at the bottom, where the soft-keys would be on any ordinary phone, so you don't have to make any strenuous movements.
Like you say, you are seasoned user. For those who are new, they certainly would have a hard time with the queer keyboard of P1 and the lacking implementation of TS like the reviewer at gsmarena encountered. He even mentioned that he can type faster using standard T9 than using the keyboard of P1i.
What can I say, the man's an idiot? The "queer" M600 keyboard was all new to me back in October last year, it's not as if my previous UIQ experience helped me there, but I was still typing away quite quickly within a couple of days. People are always going to have their own preferences and their own quirky likes and dislikes when it comes to input devices - some people can't get on with T9, some people love it, some people can't use qwertys, some people take to them easily, some people swear by handwriting, others prefer on-screen keyboards - the point is the P1 (and M600 before it) caters for many more preferences than the N95, which is strictly T9 only.
You've found one reviewer who didn't like the P1's keyboard - I could point you any number of threads here full of people who absolutely love the identical keyboard on the M600. Who are you going to believe?
If the P1i sells more expensive than N95 when it comes out, I dont see the attraction of P1 to the general buying public. Some niche user like you may find it attractive.
It won't be more expensive - you're trying to compare SE's suggested retail prices at launch with the real-world discounted prices of the N95 now, and that's just not realistic. I'd expect them to be priced very closely to begin with.
Niche users? That keyboard is targetting one of the biggest niches in the smartphone market, messaging - just ask Blackberry how important that is. When you combine that with the rest of the package, it's a pretty compelling product.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2007-05-09 12:40 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-09 13:05:13
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The N95 looks great to me (although I am a dyed-in-the-wool SE P-series user). It does everything the P990i does IN FLIP CLOSED MODE, plus GPS, better camera, and so forth. I love the double-slider thing. I also really love that it is thinner than the P990i.
The only problem is, if you ever use a P-series in FLIP OPEN MODE, that is, to enter a lot of text or draw something or navigate in a web page, then the N95 is not for you.
So for most business users -- those who write e-mails and work with Internet a lot, who use their calendars and work with their contacts and so forth -- the P990i will be a better choice.
If you're not a business user, then the N95 is much superior.
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Posted: 2007-05-09 15:48:14
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buy a NOKIA n95 or wait six moths fo a good Sony Ericsson
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Posted: 2007-05-09 15:52:03
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The P990i is still the only phone you can buy which is at the same time a fully functional PDA (flip open) and a fully functional pocketable one-handed phone (flip closed).
[The Nokia Communicators are not really "pocketable" so I don't include them although the E90 looks really cool.]
That was always the really brilliant thing about the P-series and the reason why I haven't used anything else since the P800 came out.
The P1 looks like a step in the wrong direction, where that is concerned.
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Posted: 2007-05-09 16:32:07
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@Dockhead - the P1 uses the M600 form factor, which includes some tweaks and (dare I say it) improvements on the P990's version of UIQ. It offers the full "flip open" experience all the time, BUT with the added ability to use it just fine one-handed, without any need for the flip up keypad. Try it, you might just like it.
For me, since going from the P800 and P910 (which I loved) to the M600 last year, I don't think SE should ever make a flip-based smartphone again.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2007-05-09 15:47 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-09 16:42:46
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