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Why why why Dogmann. Why are you still hitting on SE everytime you get a chance? Just stick with your Nokia and all will be fine, right? This P1 WILL be a great phone, i am sure. I too have a Nokia N95 AND P990i AND HTC TyTN. And the nokia aint THAT cute, it lacks of RAM RAM RAM. But you dont here me complaining here, do you. So please, just stop it. Nokia here, and SE there, im just to tired of it..... If you dont like SE, then stay out of here.......
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Posted: 2007-07-19 15:18:24
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all here are combined a/b/g, for full support. that includes free hotspots at universities, library and transports
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Posted: 2007-07-19 15:19:00
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here's a good nice review of P1i
http://www.phonearena.com/htm[....]n-P1-Review-review-r_1784.html
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Posted: 2007-07-19 16:34:53
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so is it out yet?????
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Posted: 2007-07-19 16:36:48
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On this review it says the box contains a carry pouch for the phone although I have not heard of this before so was just wondering if anyone could say for sure weather the phone comes with or withou the pouch
Thanks
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Posted: 2007-07-19 17:10:46
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yes it will...thatīs why it appears on the review - thatīs the actual retail box and contents
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Posted: 2007-07-19 17:23:36
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On 2007-07-19 14:58:36, Dogmann wrote:
Well you were the one to make that claim so i would of thought you could support it otherwise it is just you making things up isn't it? and trying to put words in my mouth that i haven't said.
Okay Marc, obviously you're right and I'm quite wrong to infer you may have been critical of the P1's performance improvement over its immediate predecessors. You've certainly never suggested that it wasn't going to be a big improvement. How wrong I have been to suggest otherwise.
As to my making the point that the processor is actually more like 2 years plus old that is merely a statement of fact and isn't really disputable now is it?
And hasn't actually been disputed, has it?
Of course it will effect the performance as it s an old chip incapable of giving VGA video recording or supporting HSDPA. If SE used a better and newer processor it could match the performance that Moto have gotten from UIQ couldn't they?
That's not affecting performance tho Marc, that's a question of features - some the Z8 has, some the P1 lacks. If I point out that the Z8 doesn't have a qwerty keypad or a touchscreen, I'm not questioning the performance of that device, merely its functionality. I'm sure the Z8 performs the range of tasks it is designed for quite admirably, but if it doesn't do what I need then it's no good to me. It doesn't, so it's not, whilst the P1 does, so it is. See how this works?
For the sake of my sanity why do you always twist this to being about speed, the simple fact whether you like it or not if a Network has both b.g or even n support once a b device joins the whole Networks performance is effected. Hot spots are trying to give the user the best performance possible as most are charging people to use them. There are less Hot spots offering coverage for the b band due to this as b is now becoming very old and this is one of the reasons why certain B equipped equipped devices can see a Network but not connect or use it. No one cares what you do in your home as it doesn't effect any one else, does it?
I think speed is your obsession Marc, not mine! I can only speak from experience, and I've yet to find a hotspot, or a router, that doesn't support B - it's commonplace. It's also perfectly suitable for a full speed internet connection, which is exactly what P1 users will using it for, 99% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be complaining if it had G, but I don't agree that it's absence is a real issue.
Are you really this unreasonable that you can not understand the reason why the P1 outperforms the previous UIQ devices as it is really simple, firstly it has the extra Ram and secondly SE have now manged along with the Ram OS improvements. The chip has not improved and is still why these devices don't have VGA video recording or HSDPA.
I understand it fine Marc, I also understand that the P1 has never claimed to have VGA video recording or HSDPA, so it's fairly irrelevant that its processor doesn't support those features. What interests me is that SE have taken that same processor and hardware platform from the P990, M600, W950 etc and - according to reports - made it run faster. That's not something that a lot of people (I don't mean you Marc) thought was necessarily possible, even with the extra RAM. Quite a few people (although obviously not you Marc) did try to assert that the P1 wouldn't perform any better than the P990 in that department.
The reason that the Networks invested in 3G was for the extra bandwidth and yes they mistakenly thought Video calling was going to be a killer app.
So you'd agree that the networks are capable of investing in a technology, and believing in a "killer app", that in fact hasn't had a major impact on mobile use? Interesting.
As it happened i never did much the same as i believed that Wap was also a waste of time.
Yep, there's another good example, wish I'd thought of that one.
The only growth left for the mobile Networks is indeed Data
No choice for them then, no?
and as both the processors , graphics and speeds on our devices increases along with transmission speeds this will lead to higher quality services.
How?
This is not just down to high quality Video but even image intensive Web pages will download at between 12 and 24 times as fast which will make Web browsing a much better and enjoyable experience.
The funny thing is, with the right option ticked, I already have image intensive web pages on my M600. They download fast enough for me. But I always surf with the images off in any case, because as with any mobile network user I'm charged for every byte, and I use the internet on the move for info, not frills. Do I want to surf even more image intensive pages (are we talking more intensive than the actual internet here? Some kind of enhanced version just for future Nokias?) and potentially pay for even more bytes, shifted in ever faster speeds? In a word, no.[/quote]
Please be realistic 384kbps maximum speed is no where near desktop speeds not even close
"Not even close" would be the dial-up speeds we were all using on our desktops a few years ago. 384kbps is a lot closer than that, and easily fast enough for web surfing. Your PC could be on that connection now, and you probably wouldn't even notice until you tried to download something big.
Now if SE lacking this tech makes them better you really have to be joking.
If it was a straight choice between a P1 with these features and one without, of course there'd be no contest - but life isn't like that. What you need to appreciate is that there is no HSDPA phone which can match the rest of the P1's features - none with that same package of form factor, functionality, battery life, etc. Once you accept that, then HSDPA is just one feature amongst many to be weighed up, and not the sole arbiter of which is "better".
The increase in speed between normal 3G and HSDPA is not tiny or insignificant and will lead to better quality content for all. If you really can't see that then you obviously don't really need Data is the only conclusion i can come to.
Well this is the interesting thing - unlike you, I don't believe the P1 (or much of the competition) can actually be defined as purely "data-centric" devices, to borrow your catchphrase, and I believe your fondness for that term is blinkering you to some extent. I certainly do use and need mobile data in my phone, but that's not the be all and end all. Since the P800 I've been using my phone essentially as my sole PDA; I text and email a lot so I value things like handwriting and qwerty, I manage and sync my calendar and tasks, it's my sole music player - you can reduce all of these activities to data but in reality much of it is more to do with the quality of the user interface, the reliability of the device, the length of its battery, the portability - I want all this in a device I can take anywhere, like any other phone, not one that I have to treat differently. The data connection is important too, but it's NOT the definining characteristic of a smartphone in my opinion, and it will not rule my decision on this or any future purchase.
I really find this perverse logic you try and justify the lack of HSDPA whilst all around are embracing it you are happy to think it's wonderful not having it. Well lets just see how you all feel in 6 months to a Year when all these new services with high qaulity feeds are available and you can't use them.
Again, where are these high quality "feeds" coming from, what are they feeding people, and how much do they cost? You talk in specifications but you've still not described a single, must-have application for me to miss out on my P1. Are you talking about video here? Did you read my post when I said I had video, and that it doesn't really interest me? Is your argument against that really "think about all the video you'll be missing?"
Why when you and a colleague of friend are looking at something his device is 5or 6 times faster whilst you are still waiting.
Again, you're seeing the world through specifications, not the reality. If I'm sat next to somebody and we're both loading the same web page, me on my P1 and you on your E90 or whatever, know what'll really happen? They'll both load at the same damn time, because web pages are nothing, it takes no time to load them, whatever connection you're on.
You talk about "5 or 6 times faster" as if I'm going to be sat there for 5 or 6 minutes, rather than 5 or 6 tenths of a second that neither of us are going to notice...
But hey its your money you spend it how you like but please stop pretending HSDPA is not a great advancement for Data as that's just not supported by the facts if you like them or even believe them is irrelevant.
I'm not pretending HSDPA is anything at all, I'm just waiting for you (or anybody) to give me a convincing reason to care less about it.
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Posted: 2007-07-19 17:24:21
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I agree with Dogmann that vga recording would be very nice to have and that hsdp is the future for data transfering. But what Boinng IMO wanted to say is that every P1 owner could easily live without hsdp for the next year or two and fully enjoy its features without missing anything.
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Posted: 2007-07-19 17:33:22
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@Tail
who woke up and made you God this morning the only response you deserve is i hope you like SEX and Travel.
@Boinng
Actually if you read the P1 threads on this Forum and on My Symbian when some one answered my questions about opening certain apps on the P1 and the times it took i did praise the device. As obviously the increased speed is good and a benefit just not enough to interest me in this device though.
This notion that some like to promote that all i do is attack SE is frankly laughable, it is nearly as funny as those of you that only see SE through rose tinted glasses.
As for HSDPA just wait and watch what happens as the advancements come on line and what they will deliver as lets face if you have an SE smart phone that's all you will be able to do.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-07-19 18:07:32
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As the thread suggest it's a review about P1i. Imo, P1i don't have HSDPA. So why there is discussion on it??
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Posted: 2007-07-19 22:57:00
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