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That's an interesting reaction - you're suggesting that someone who doesn't want or need the mobile internet at all could make do with an ancient non-smartphone with virtually no features other than the ability to make calls.

Isn't that a trifle blinkered?

I find it interesting that, for some, the term "smartphone" has come to mean "mobile internet brower"(or "data-centric device" to repeat one poster's mantra) and the many, many other functions that a smartphone like the P1 offers are being forgotten, or dismissed as irrelevant. The truth is, there will be a significant number of customers who don't place that much (or any) value on internet speeds, and who may not even use the phone for browsing, but who will still place great value on the P1's other features - such as touchscreen, PIM functionality, document editing, music, qwerty keyboard etc - none of which are offered by a non-smartphone (let alone an antique one). There are few other smartphones that can offer the same combination of features, for that matter.

Personally, I use the internet on my phone a lot, but if other people aren't interested in such "frivolous" activity that's fine. It doesn't lead me to assume they don't need any of the other features of a modern smartphone.
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Posted: 2007-08-07 14:11:35
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Marc, if you really want to labour this then I suggest you find a better quote from one of those other reviews. Stuff's use of the words "may" and "slightly" aren't exactly damning, and certainly don't chime with your own perpetually grim view of things. In fact, the above quote makes many of your posts sound more than a bit silly.



Your comment was addressed to me, not the OP, and appeared to be a direct response to my own perfectly factual answer. Apologies if I misunderstood...
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Posted: 2007-08-07 14:18:51
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Hi,

to answer the original question. I own a P1 and also live in Stockholm (Telia subscription).

Personally I do not find the lack of HSDPA a problem. 3G is plenty fast enough for general web surfing from a P1 phone and I have no complaints about the speed of web pages loading on P1 when using 3G.

If you have 3G turned off, then your P1 will be on the GSM network, using GPRS for web surfing and that is slow. I expect that is the problem on your W880 as well.

I do turn off 3G from time to time also, usually when I need to maximize my talk time or standby time and I know I will not be using the web browser.

For web or wap surfing on a phone, HSDPA is overkill. However I would have liked HSDPA on my P1, not for speed, but because HSDPA is better optimized for data, offering lower latency times and lower power consumption. But you can't have every thing

The only time you really really need HSDPA, is if you are surfing from a PC. Then you will see a big difference, as the PC is most likely being bottlenecked by the data link (on a phone, even if you have HSDPA, the relatively low speed CPU + RAM + graphics chip means you will not get super speedy surfing anyway). So if you were planning to use the P1 as a modem for a PC, then you really would be better off if it had HSDPA (or with a separate HSDPA data card or HSDPA USB modem).

Finally, a subjective opinion that might help. I have a P1 and my friend a W880. Surfing (over 3G) is much faster and a much better experience with a P1 than with a W880. Probably because of the superior CPU + RAM in the P1 compared to a W880.

I also surf via WiFi (at home) using the P1 and this is very fast and much better than with 3G. Partly because of the higher speed, but mainly because of much lower latencies over WiFi (this is the main reason I would have preferred HSDPA). However WiFi really eats battery life, so only turn it on when you really need it and turn it off again when finished.

Hope this helps,

/Mike B.
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Posted: 2007-08-07 14:56:05
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Let me explain something to you. 24 Mbps is the connection speed of your ADSL line, not the throughput you get. I live around 560 m from my phone station and with that I can get maximum 17-18 Mbps througput in an "ideal" environment. This throughput decreases with the distance to your phone station and also depends on the quality of the copper cable into your house.

Internet however isn't ideal and the actual throughput gets even lower
in reality. On a connection from your computer to an arbitrary server you have to share the capacity on the path to the server with lot of other people, the more there are, the lower the throughput you get.

Then you have the servers themself, which have their own bottle necks. Its not even unusal the bandwith per connection is reduced to be able to squeeze in a reasonable amount of simultaneously users.

With this in mind, if you get close to 5 Mbps in download speed at your 24 Mbps line, that's pretty good (most don't even come close to that).

Now lets go back to 11b vs. 11g. Each standard is specified to have upto 11 vs. 54 Mbps of connection speed. In reality, due to lot of overhead, the actual theoretical troughput is rougly a bit below the half of the connection speed (
Considering 11b is less sensitive than 11g and what has been said above, the perceived surfing speed difference is most likely not that big as it may appear at a first glance.

So unless you plan to download lot of DVDs and CDs on your home LAN (not internet) with P1, I would say most (if any) won't notice much difference between 11b and 11g.

[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2007-08-07 22:09 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-07 15:35:55
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@mikeb

Well really you have just proved a very valid point faster processor and graphics do indeed improve the user experience and as you point out web browsing is faster allowing for the limitations of your processor and graphics using WiFi.

To make it really simple having HSDPA and a faster processor and more advanced graphics chip bring a better than WiFi experience to where ever you are if you have HSDPA available. Personally i have never met anyone that would prefer a slower less rich experience if they can have a faster better one.

k850 successor

Agreed but unfortunately that device with new processor and all the other tech is not due till mid to late 2008 which for me any way is far to long to wait when i can and will have it now.

@boing

OK if a magazine write up isn't good enough for you go read the reviews at All About Symbian or My Symbian where the lack of HSDPA is also highlighted. My point is if even a gadget mag draws attention to it it is obviously something more people than you think will notice it missing in a device at this time. It really is not a rarely implemented tech it is appearing in more and more devices as standard even the K850 has it and it's not a smart phone.

Marc

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Posted: 2007-08-07 15:40:36
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@ Dogmann, seriously, do you feel it's worthwhile pointing that some reviews of the P1 have highlighted it's lack of HSDPA? Is that a surprise to anybody? Hasn't the P1's lack of HSDPA already been very well highlighted, documented, appraised, reviewed and digested by every living creature on earth already? Isn't is ALSO true that its lack of HSDPA is not, as you might believe, universally revilled as the single worst thing to ever happen, and has NOT prevented many reviewers (not to mention owners) praising the P1 generally?

Isn't it about time you accepted that many people are happy with the P1 despite it's lack of HSDPA, and that HSDPA is not a deciding factor in many of those people's decisions (or reviews) on the phone?
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Posted: 2007-08-07 16:30:15
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before we go around in circles (and I'm already getting dizzy)...

Dogmann is simply pointing to other peoples opinions on the specific question raised by the original poster and I'm sure he realised that the P1 is generally a well accepted device

for me, I'm happy with P1 even though it doesn't have HSDPA. I would have been happier if it did.

For this reason, at present when connecting from other devices (laptop, Nokia 770 internet tablet etc) to the internet, I'm still using my N95 as a gateway in order to utilise the faster speed when its available.
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Posted: 2007-08-07 16:39:16
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@mikeb
Very accurate and useful facts for the masses there put quite intelligibly. I use my P990 as my primary/main connection for internet at home using 3G, this is why HSDPA is a deciding factor for me, and this is why I would never consider a P1 again now that I've gotten my replacement P990 after my old one got damaged.
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Posted: 2007-08-08 11:01:29
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Oh, I miss good old days when it was possible to use only a simple GSM
900 for talking and data as well

[For younger people to know: GSM data speed is 9,6 kbps.]
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Posted: 2007-08-08 11:13:12
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@sapporobaby

Just because I do not care for mobile internet, you assume I do not care for any other technological advances since the 2110.

By the way, go find an SDK for your precious Macintosh.
This message was posted from a W960i
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Posted: 2007-08-08 12:55:34
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