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On 2007-12-09 05:56:03, islandprd wrote:
@mib1800
oh com'on man, as a user of both brands I must say each has its strong points but neither is perfect. To critisize SE as if it is the crappiest without ever deeply using it is not very right too.
When and where did I say SE is crap?
I am only responding to persons who are saying Java is as good as Symbian. Get your facts right.
The java programs I use in my SE set are mostly 2D game and some light application like world clock. The good part, mostly are available as freewares unlike symbian which you must donate or pay dearly for a programs that are not even perfect. To me the java is good enough and surely some other people may find it the same.
Java is good for these small little utilities apps. But for for complex and integrated apps, Java is still not there yet.
btw: I can have the same freeware java apps that you have on your SE running in my Symbian N95 as well. But this is not true the other way round. So my Symbian phones can have best of both worlds (so to speak).
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Posted: 2007-12-09 06:24:43
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Oh well I say "as if" but never mind then
But you are right to say that some of the java programs works on symbian. Not all. Some of my SE java games cannot run on my N95.
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Posted: 2007-12-09 06:59:11
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On 2007-12-09 06:59:11, islandprd wrote:
But you are right to say that some of the java programs works on symbian. Not all. Some of my SE java games cannot run on my N95.
ditto. Not all Java that works in N95 works in SE.
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Posted: 2007-12-09 07:29:44
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in the last couple of years or so I am finding that java software is is much more compatible such that most work on the SE's I have, the WM's I have and also the N95 when I had it.
I think this is more of an issue of the quality and skill of the developer although obviously if API's are used that are not supported then the program also won't work
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Posted: 2007-12-09 07:45:46
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@Dogmann:
There are so many Symbian phones sold mainly because Nokia includes Symbian in every new phone. The rest of my reply is the same as islandprd's.
@mib1800:
You're lying to yourself, mate. Saying that Nokia's UI is better than SE's is ridiculous (as I've said before).
And yes, I am in that 90%.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-12-09 08:58 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-09 09:58:16
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On 2007-12-09 09:58:16, NightBlade wrote:
@Dogmann:
There are so many Symbian phones sold mainly because Nokia includes Symbian in every new phone. The rest of my reply is the same as islandprd's.
@mib1800:
You're lying to yourself, mate. Saying that Nokia's UI is better than SE's is ridiculous (as I've said before).
And yes, I am in that 90%.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-12-09 08:58 ]
If you are game enough, counter the 9 points I posted about the inconsistency and unfriendliness of SE UI compared to S60. Do away with your cheap talk and come out from behind the stone.
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Posted: 2007-12-09 10:07:21
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On 2007-12-09 00:19:22, NightBlade wrote:
On 2007-12-08 11:57:01, QVGA wrote:
On 2007-12-08 09:55:13, NightBlade wrote:
Yay! I hate them Symbian and WM OS'es. Too complicated and not as straightforward and good-looking as Java.
too complicated for someone like you, not the other billion population that uses WM and symbian phones.
Whilst java maybe progressing, it will NEVER be an complex and open ended as an OS, otherwise we're talking about WM and symbian becoming endangered!
Through elaborate programming, of course it can! It would be harder but not impossible by all means.
Oh, and just to make things clear, most people want
good-looking and
organized GUI's, unlike Nokia's.Well, OK, you're right, maybe a good 10% of the cell-phone using population does care about installing anything else than games.
we're talking about people here who know about phones, not those who dont know ****! (that includes people who only install games).
And if Nokia menu is disorganised, then you can move stuff which ever way you like, can you do that in SE by a simple click of a button?
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Posted: 2007-12-09 10:08:32
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On 2007-12-09 09:58:16, NightBlade wrote:
@Dogmann:
There are so many Symbian phones sold mainly because Nokia includes Symbian in every new phone. The rest of my reply is the same as islandprd's.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-12-09 08:58 ]
hahaha, u joker! thats a real funny thing (in a sad pathetic way) you just said!
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Posted: 2007-12-09 10:12:06
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@islandprd
Sorry you explanation does not explain the continued growth currently seen in Symbian devices and they aren't all Nokia's either. There are plenty of Nokia devices that are not Symbian or smart phones and even if they all were this still wouldn't account for the growth being seen.
@Nightblade
What are you talking about only the Nokia N series and E series are Symbian devices all the others are not and are not smart phones either. This incredible growth is being seen in smart phones and IMO in Multimedia smart phones. Buisness smart phones have always had a niche market with Buisness people as these are the people that need that functionality the most. The huge growth currently is coming from a new type of user that is looking for an excellent Multimedia experience and gets it by using a Symbian Multimedia smart phone to suggest otherwise is just not true.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-09 12:56 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-09 13:55:44
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@dogmann
Being a market leader Nokia certainly has a clear advantage of pulling more buyers/followers. It has to do with brand presence, perception etc. Does it guarantee a best product line? No necessarily. For example, B&O products. It may not be a market leader but certain of its product are good and maybe better than the leader. IMHO
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Posted: 2007-12-09 14:11:02
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