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[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2007-12-12 13:07 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-12 14:05:12
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So when the P5 (or whatever) comes out, and is the epitome of the perfect UIQ device in every way, and even comes with that brilliant Opera 9 built in, you're going to shun it on principle are you? Turn your back? Go to S60, where you have to pay for Opera 9, along with thousands of likeminded customers? Righto.



No, you're missing the point - as Opera themselves have explained, Opera is not third party development as far as UIQ are concerned. Opera is their browser, the UIQ browser, supported by UIQ themselves. The Opera in your P1, and in the next P5, is not third party software - it's as UIQ as the message client, and the calendar, and every other built in app. The fact that versions of it may also be available for other platforms is irrelevant.



The headline for SE and UIQ is that the latest and greatest browser on the block, Opera 9, will come built in on future UIQ handsets. The lack of Opera 9 in existing handsets that are already pre-equipped with the quite respectable 8.65 is not so much PR - more of a PS.
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Posted: 2007-12-12 14:06:37
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I say this again...right now its expected that devices with a somewhat decent lifespan (say 1 year) to have new features added via firmware...the competition is doing it...why is not expectable for SE to do that???

Of course...its too much to expect it to happen for P990/W950/M600...even nokia did not add demand paging to any other "old devices" but n95 classic...but P1 and W960 are yet at start of their sales life, and like i said before, new devices are far away

Enough said...i prefer to ask these question to SE and UIQ themselves, and this is what me, Asri, Mizzle, etc, are doing right now...we shall see what happens

Also Makbil...past is past...SE changed plans more than once in the past, it will do it again in the future...there is actually a new big thing on the equation right now, besides what competition did - there is a new CEO
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Posted: 2007-12-12 14:07:11
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What is your argument here? Nokia did it with the N95, therefore SE should do it with the P1? In that case, where is demand paging for the P1, since that's the update in question? Why do we not all expect that of SE? Why aren't all the current models running UIQ3.1 for that matter? Why have SE never updated their phones in this way, including those still on the market?

Let's take your argument further - what else has Nokia done that SE hasn't aped accordingly? I bet there's a whole list of things. Do you, Ares, want to champion a new "follow Nokia" strategy for SE?



The N95 "classic" isn't old, it's a current model. It's also extremely closely related to the 8GB, a brand new model, and its pretty obvious that developing the platform for the 8GB allowed them to easily backport those improvements to the "classic".

Opera 9's integration into UIQ is obviously intended for the new UIQ, whether that's 3.2 or 4 or whatever - we know from the screenshots that it's a marked departure from the UIQ3 we know now. That will never make an appearance on the P1 or the W960 - it's clearly a whole new UI for a whole new range of phones. Do you expect UIQ to integrate, release and support Opera 9 for both that and the existing UIQ3? I don't.



I'll look forward to the tumbleweed!



Yes, and how pro-active and responsive to users that new CEO has been!
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Posted: 2007-12-12 14:25:39
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Why wouldn't we? S60 sucks, but there are other alternatives, and a lot can happen in a year. And if it turns out that the p5 will have the same lousy battery life as all the rest, because it suddenly gets better specs - why in the world would I stay with SE?


Actually, the problem is that we bought Opera 8 with the phone. And that browser, allegedly.., we are entitled to upgrades for for as long as the phone lives. In other words, SE has bought a support- agreement with Opera on that one. Meaning that Opera 8 will obviously not be interesting as a separate product. And in practice, what it means is that we contact SE for support concerns, rather than Opera directly. Which obviously works flawlessly for everyone except the customers, but nevermind.

Now, Opera 9 is a new product. Which will no doubt be bundled with a specific version of UIQ. And we who bought v8, have not bought it. In fact, we cannot buy it, due to the incredible foresight of UIQ and SE, as I explained. And I'm sorry - but treating v8 to v9 as an upgrade, will not work in this respect. Figuratively speaking, it's an upgrade because it has similar functionality. But it is a separate product that has been precluded from appearing on other phones due to curious decisions on the part of Opera soft., and on the part of UIQ. All resulting in less exposure for both Opera and UIQ.

It's true, of course - that if you wanted to buy a new GPS, and it turned out you need to upgrade to a new car in order to fit the car- holder - most people would obviously do that. Instead of just buying a brand that doesn't require you to trash the old car every time you want an "upgrade". But yes, I suppose I would be suprised if not developers flocked to that brand to make exclusive products, instead of making products for the more general market. Makes perfect sense. And it's just a brilliant strategy. (If you had 99% of the market..)



I'm sure we can limit ourselves to: follow nokia when they do something that's actually clever.

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[ This Message was edited by: Nipsen on 2007-12-12 13:45 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-12 14:42:15
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my point precisely...and its not just nokia, its also apple that is doing the same

Boinng...in terms of mobile market...the n95 is "old"...it was launched more on year ago...pay attention please

Regarding the new CEO, AFAIK, he did not refuse to answer the questions...he will do it, acording to Mizzle. About his future plans, you don´t know, i don´t know...unlike, i have my ideas, but i am not sure that will happen, and do not think i own the truth

Listen to the last AAS podcast...they discussed precisely the fact the right now any top smartphone is supposed to have features added via firmware from time to time, not just bug fixes, and this tendency will keep increasing


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Posted: 2007-12-12 15:08:37
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Nipsen, I truly believe you're blowing this all out of proportion. As far as UIQ is concerned, Opera 9 is an upgrade, which will form part of the upgraded UIQ to be released on future phones. It doesn't exist as a separate product for UIQ3, and indeed no version of Opera ever has. If you want to get melodramatic about the effect of this on competition, then surely the fact that the P1's browser will soon be a step behind presents an opportunity for other software developers to come forward with replacements and enhancements, doesn't it? Maybe we'll see Webkit for UIQ3 emerge as a result. Maybe we won't. Personally I don't really mind either way.

The situation with Opera not releasing 9 separately is as much down to Opera as it is SE/UIQ. They went with an exclusive licensing/support deal with UIQ because that was the most profitable deal for them - I'm sure they'd have loved to have done the same deal with Nokia or Microsoft if those companies didn't already have their own browsers in place for their own OS's. UIQ didn't, so they need Opera, and they need it at the right price too. If that means you don't get the option of upgrading until you buy a new UIQ phone, then so be it.
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Posted: 2007-12-12 15:09:58
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Well, I disagree, don't I. Because UIQ could make a good move to get the entire platform ahead of the competition, and more likely to be chosen, by customers and manufacturers, when the new line- up of UIQ units comes along.

See, the reason this is important, is that since there are no huge technological improvements waiting to be used in the near future - it's a question of expanding the user- base, and making the platform attractive for developers. And.. you don't do that by making every tiny new feature exclusive for just the one newest mobile unit. Specially, when you might've had the possibility to expand the amount of people that would use and buy this new software.

And that's the point, no, as far as UIQ is concerned?
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Posted: 2007-12-12 15:40:37
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I would like to give the new CEO the benefit of the doubt and wait some more to see if he can really make a difference as far as the customer is concerned. He may have the best intentions in the world but I seriously doubt he has a carte blanc to do anything he wants. He will be under pressure from the share holders to say the least. The P990 looks like a lost cause and I really don't expect anything from SE. Unless of course they feel the need to improve their image which is continuously getting worse when compared with Nokia.
When I bought my P990, it's direct competitor was the N95 both in price and features. Now one year has passed and Nokia is still supporting and improving their product whereas SE is trying to remove all references to the P990. Which company would you trust?
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Posted: 2007-12-13 02:33:32
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Did u see the picture here

http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/

P1i using Opera 9?
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Posted: 2007-12-13 23:22:26
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