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@Max,

That my be the case in Aus but in Europe the take up and use of HSDPA is well established alreday which is why the networks have now moved on from 3.6mbps too 7.2mbps.

The difference between plain 3G 384kbps max to 3.2mbps is huge even those that used to say it was unnecessary and made very little difference now that have used all rave about just what a difference it makes. Go take a look at the G phones thread over @My Symbian where Michel Jerz has mad some very interesting post's about UIQ and it's lack of up to date hardware and the technologies it brings. Pretty much the same things as i have been saying for ages now about what is holding UIQ back from reaching it's true potential.

@Muhammad-Oli

I agree one of it's problems is it is currently expensive but that's all i agree on the other thing is most of the time it is jut not practical, as in walking down the street is not ideal and whilst driving in the car is also not practical. The only real uses i can see is for parents away from home to say good night or speak and see thier children, or maybe boyfriend/ girlfriends saying goodnight other wise i really do think it is not really that useful at all. Only time will tel which one of us is right.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-03-13 18:20 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-13 15:00:31
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You don't have to explain to me the difference between 384Kbps and 3Mbps. I fully understand believe me, as a network technician I would be stupid if I didn't get it. I'm not trying to argue this from a technical poiunt of view. The fact is the success or failure of a phone very rarely comes down to technical abilities. Just look at the success of the iphone and it's not 3G at all.

Apple came to the same conclusion that SE have been operating under - ie: that the market as a whole isn't utilising mobile broadband at a level were HSDPA speeds make a significant difference to the browsing experience. That is changing now and as I have said the next 12 months will really cement mobile broadband services that actually require HSDPA speeds (such as HDTV).

But up to now, general consumers have not been utilising HSDPA speeds for anything that 3G wouldn't have also been a suitable. You argue from your point of view, but you are not a typical phone user. The vast majority wouldn't download more than a song here and there and watch TV, neither of which require more than the standard 3G bandwidth.

That's why I argue that general consumers will not be overly deterred from SE handsets due to the lack of HSDPA. They'd be more interested in other things such as style, formfactor etc. They wouldn't be like you or I, who would be wanting a phone that is future proofed as much as is reasonable.

There may be some marketshare loss due to the delay of HSDPA, but I think the worst that will happen (from SE's point of view) is that they will be a little bit late for the HSDPA party and will lose a small sector of their market segment temporarily, then gain it back later once they have caught up. In the process their innovative formfactors and stylings will have attracted new customers, equalling overall increased marketshare.



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Posted: 2008-03-13 19:16:56
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@Max

Well HDTV is a long way off they haven't even got DVB-H up and running everywhere yet and this is not dependant on 3G or HSPDA and that's the whole point of it.

HSDPA is not about downloading a song or watching TV neither of which i have done or intend to do it's about the Internet and not having to wait for pages to load slowly. As long as the hardware has a fast enough processor and a good enough browser and screen the whole experience is many times better over HSDPA than 3G and to say it isn't quite frankly is just ridiculous as otherwise we would all stick with 3G if it made no difference wouldn't we?

As has been said in quite a few threads by people who didn't see the point of HSDPA untill they had it and realised just how much better the user experience became and have said so. Now if you want to believe different fair enough that's your opinion and your entitled to it but i and others how ever disagree.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-03-13 22:55 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-13 19:30:45
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Yeah I can see it has practicality issues and I agree with what you have said. But like you stated, it does have some uses and therefore is still worth having for many... But you're right, the majority would find it impractical. Perhaps video calling is more useful for home phones when you are more relaxed rather than out and about with a mobile phone. But then I believe home phones will begin to become obsolete as mobile phone call pricing comes down!

Not quite sure of my point anymore so I guess I'm just saying you're quite right.
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Posted: 2008-03-14 00:47:36
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i didnt noticed on "3" ausrtia any big differences at quality of hd tv, when i tested it on umts and hsdpa.
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Posted: 2008-03-14 00:54:54
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exactly, because 3G is sufficient bandwidth for current mobile TV services. Once true HDTV service start to be delivered via mobile networks they'll need HSDPA but currently such services don't exist.

As far as General webpage viewing goes there is not a lot of difference on home broadband whether the connection speed is 256Kbps or 10Mbps, so I really don't think webpages load any significantly faster over HSDPA than they do on 3G mobile devices.

I think Dogmann is right overall, but tbh mobile browsers still don't display real webpages well enough to argue that mobile browsers need to utilise the speeds of HSDPA. Some phone such as N95 do a particularly good job of displaying webpages, but the majority of end users are still mostly browsing their operator content, sending emails, watching low quality TV or downloading ringtones and games, for which HSDPA bandwidth is of little extra value.

The thing is dogmann, I don't disagree with you on the overall idea, only on the timing. I am only arguing that the industry as a whole is only just starting to get organised enough to make HSDPA a real advantage. If SE don't have a HSDPA capable UIQ phone until the end of the year, they will be no worse of than Apple in terms of the affect on their market penetration due to the lack of HSDPA (Apple who also don't support HSDPA are rumoured to be planning a HSDPA iphone to be announced towards the end of the year).

You also have to remember what a small slice of SE's marketshare is made up of UIQ phones. If they don't have UIQ phones with HSDPA it doesn't make a big impact on their marketshare growth (especially if the X1 is a hit), so it's not going to be detrimental to SE that they haven't sorted their UIQ HSDPA blues as yet.

Okay so that's a bitch for UIQ lovers, but I thought you were over UIQ anyway dogmann
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Posted: 2008-03-15 05:47:35
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