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Just as a sideline:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020806/95/d6srm.html
I don't agree with all of this article, but it's interesting.
The subsidy issue isn't going to be solved here, they won't disappear tomorrow but the amount will likely fall as we go into 2003 and beyond.
As for APRU on receive only MMS phones, obviously sending isn't going to increase significantly but downloads (still using GPRS etc.) will account to some. These phones are basically to promote MMS in general, not up their usage.
Users with the highest ARPU are business users, some will use PDAs but most will settle for something that connects to their laptop (mostly salesmen who use it to connect to their intranet and they use voice over anything else anyway). They will rack up AVERAGE monthly bills of 250 euros to 650 euros, without complaint from management as they bring in business to compensate. Besides, you use more when you don't have to pay for the bill!
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Posted: 2002-08-09 16:21:00
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The article was okay, but the idea that people will use phone cameras only is just crap. I've got a Sony DSC707, it's a pretty big camera (for a digital, still about 2/3 the size of an SLR), but the size is almost all in the lens. If you want a good camera, you need good optics. And if you want good optics, you need a lot of light, and a decent f-stop. Small camera lenses are not as good as large, and going digital is not going to help.
So.... yes a camera on your phone would be good enough that you wouldn't bother buying disposable cameras, and it'll be cool to have because you will always have a camera with you (which the p800 has and the T68 + iPaq doesn't have Delta...), but when you are going on holiday, you are going to take a dedicated camera.
Basically, I think a lot of analysts talk a lot of crap.
Andrew
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Posted: 2002-08-09 16:46:00
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Yes, the last part about camera phones replacing digital cameras let the article down.
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Posted: 2002-08-09 17:05:00
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I hope that operators wont go for charging for receipt of MMS messages. It will be interesting to see what most will decide on. Having just read a Nokia white paper on MMS charging, they seem to suggest to operators that they go for an SMS type charge - per message. i.e. no monthly subscription, a charge per message sent, and free receiving of messages. I hope that Vodafone UK adopts this kind of pricing. Obviously T-mobile disagrees though...
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Posted: 2002-08-09 17:07:00
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Good point, I hadn't even thought of how the different MMS charging regimes could cock everything up.
Cheap, and pay to send per message only. Or maybe on your tariff get a certain amount free but at about 50/month for £5, that'd help people use the thing. It is all about critical mass, they need this to be mass market, not just early adopter geek thing.
Say the cpw brochure advertising the P800 at £499, I am certain that that is without contract, and comparable to the 7650 at £449 without contract.
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Posted: 2002-08-09 18:50:00
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....think the P800 uses a standard 3.5mm stereoplug for the handsfree... might use a 2.5mm microplug(?) like the mp3 add-on, but then you can always buy a 2.5->3.5mm converter... costs ~4USD but you loose the handsfree function though...
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Posted: 2002-08-09 21:42:00
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The mms charging in hungary at westel: there are 3 category: small <10k, middle 10-30k, big>30k (0,3euro 0,7euro 1,2euro). The charging for sending only.
This post was posted from a T68i
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Posted: 2002-08-09 23:09:00
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regarding the unprotected lens/screen: remember it comes with a case... an if SE got any brains it'll be kinda like the case for ipaq's which will open up to let you use the phone/pda...
a totally different thing... i hope you can use your bluetooth headset for mp3... as you can listen to voice recordings and the audio of mms messages on the t68i with a bt headset...
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Posted: 2002-08-09 23:50:00
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On 2002-08-09 01:33, cadcad wrote:
well yeah i do always check expansys clove and mobilefly!! and i bet the P800 won't be that expensive... it'll be around 800$ or less
Hi do you know where this shop is? in the usa or uk, because if i order from it and it's usa , i must pay tax and that is 180 euro's
the comes then on 1125 euro
that's to expensive
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Posted: 2002-12-29 14:15:00
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Has anyone got any minute idea wen this p800 will be out in uk it is supposed mid jan onwards isnt it that they start shipping it here
This post was posted from a T68i
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Posted: 2002-12-29 14:55:00
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