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On 2009-06-06 14:40:00, chombos1 wrote:
yes... no word on picture's details... they are amazing...
BUT....
this RED to Pink problem was with SE since K850 (unfortunatly, only high-end cybershots suffer from it- and now this flagship handset)
Not the case with my C905.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:27:54
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I’m not so impressed by Satio’s pics, surely very good but i thought better..
Here a comparison with Renoir, best 8mp. with Innv8:
Renoir
Satio
Renoir
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:35:47
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A pre production model maybe?
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:43:28
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On 2009-06-06 16:43:28, se_dude wrote:
A pre production model maybe?
It is, there wont be any final units out for at least a month, even then i wouldnt count on the camera been the exact quality as on release.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:45:12
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In response to the person that said the battery might be 1000mAh now but higher on the final models; well, there's very little you can fit inside a battery - so don't expect much extra.
You'll see that SE has managed to take one of their mainstream batteries, the BST-38 and over time get from 900 to 920 to 950 and now I think 1,000mAh.
So, SE might be able to get another 50-100mAh inside the casing, but that's still going to leave it at a bit of a disadvantage. Sure, I'm using my I8910 loads as I just got it, but that's only lasting a day and it's 1,500mAh!
We do need to remember that even though we're having a fair discussion here that highlights some flaws and disappointments, it's still going to be an interesting and potentially popular product - although I do think that the OS still needs a lot of work. The 5800 was bad (and with a resistive screen) and the I8910 seems a lot quicker, but taking a user interface that was originally non-touch and making it touch shows many compromises.
SE will also have these problems by sticking with the vanilla S60 5th Edition - so the things I'll really be looking forward to will be what comes out next year.
Apple may or may not have the new iPhone, but their big improvement/step isn't just hardware now but the OS. iPhone OS 3.0 and the App Store makes the iPhone a simple, fast, good looking proposition to the market. Although the I8910 looks good, there's a lack of conformity that you get with the iPhone (and OS X in general on a Mac) and inconsistencies in each application. That needs to be addressed; and adding extra things on top - rather like people have done to hide Windows Mobile - can make it even more confusing.
To get good early sales, it may need all the bells and whistles and be the market leader, but for long-term profit you need something that has some staying power. The comparison to the RAZR is therefore extremely relevant.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 16:54:19
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One advantage of newer platforms such as the OMAP3 is lower energy consumption. 2 days with Bluetooth on is a VERY GOOD figure. In fact, that's on par with my W580 with no bluetooth (4-5 hours of music per day, though) and average talktime.
The touch screen seems to be very responsive in the video at GSMA, so I doubt if that'd be an issue. I personally don't care whether it's capacitive or resistive, as long as it works. And this one seems to be working very well.
Also, I don't see what's so superior about the Renoir image samples over the Satio, other than differing lighting conditions.
[ This Message was edited by: synn on 2009-06-06 16:15 ]
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Posted: 2009-06-06 17:11:13
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Anyone know if we will see thos nice transitions we saw when it was first shown in Barcelona?
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Posted: 2009-06-06 18:38:17
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@-PERFECT- - as I see the Satio's photos are really good. I hope Aino will make very good photos too.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 21:14:44
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On 2009-06-06 05:23:42, synn wrote:
The RAZR's "User experience" WAS the unique style, form factor and the cultural phenomenon it invoked. That's what I have been saying from the start. The UI is but one part of it. You assumed that it meant only the UI.
The RAZR in many ways, is a good example for showing how paper specs don't determine success. It had many compromises and you can wage a 20 page war on the internet based on it.
The end customers don't care.
The iPhone which you mentioned has several compromises too. It doesn't multitask, can't do things a $100 phone can do and bind you down to apps that Apple decide is good for you (Unless you jailbreak). Points every anti Apple rant bring up 20 times a day.
The end customers don't care.
See where I'm going with this?
You summed it up pretty well with this:
"Since Satio has not been released yet, it might it be too early to tell whether it would be a success or not. "
But then did a 180 and posted this:
"But I think, it will not sell good."
I respectfully disagree and will see you here in a few months to continue this discussion. Until then, there simply is no point.
In Razr and Iphone's case, the compromises were worth it because these two phones had brought "Unique Experience." No other manufacturers back then offered the similar solution the same time; it came later . In Satio's case, by the time it starts selling, similar or better solution will have been out for quite some time in the market already, leaving it just another option. What does unique user experience Satio provide? It does not have any; what it has is features that the other phones have as well, and that some phones even surpass. Nothing is worth to be sacrificed.
By the way, it is actually pointless to talk about Satio selling well when it is released in the market already; we will know the answer by then, and the adjustments that will be made are just software related (as if Sony Ericsson would make harwdare changes after announcing Satio or any cell phone). Th reason why we are discussing it now is to address what important features that Satio lacks so that SE can make the necessary adjustments. When the device hits the market its final, the modications will just be little to none. Why wait until the Satio starts selling to discuss whether it will be success or not? "...there is simply no point." (synn)
To apolla: I am gonna say this once and for all, the competition is really tough nowadays. Every cell phones makers seem able to incorporate features that each other of them phone has. Thus, making the phones they make to have really close feature sets. For a phone to sell, it has to standout among the rest. Since Satio does not really have much to brag about (not because it is a poor device but because its features will be quite ordinary for a high end when it hits the market), all can be done for it is to level its features to the competition like incorporating 3.5mm jack, increasing the battery capacity and video recording resolution, etc.
Iphone is selling well because it offers "unique user experience." Its features are advanced too, except for the camera.
About the HD recording capability, well that's one of the main features of OmniaHD that set it apart from the competiton. Without it, OmniaHD would not be as unique as it is now. What if Satio is able to record videos in 720p, will you think of it the same way as you do now? Isn't that make Satio more interesting?
About Pixon being a feature phone, nowadays people do not really care if it is a smartphone or featurephone. What they are after is if it is touchscreen or not. By all means, Pixon is a close competitor of Satio.
I think the last post I'm gonna make for now. I need to rest my mind.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 21:20:00
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On 2009-06-06 18:38:17, bavlondon2 wrote:
Anyone know if we will see thos nice transitions we saw when it was first shown in Barcelona?
Those transitions are still there... They never left Idou/Satio...
Just take a look at:
http://vimeo.com/4939509
http://vimeo.com/4939281
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwFZ3rXwgUk
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Posted: 2009-06-06 21:23:41
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