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The iPhone will always do well with a certain audience - which is large and supposedly increasing - as Apple is a brand that people buy into almost in a religious way - like people love BMW, Mercedes or Porsche etc.

Take out those who looked at a large range of devices and CHOSE the iPhone, there's a type of user (and I see them a lot working in both the media and in and around the West End and City of London/Shoreditch) that will just buy one. They'll buy the next one and upgrade just as they do with their Mac or MacBook.

Apple can therefore get away with making mistakes, but the good thing is that they haven't really made many mistakes. They give people a good, polished, package where everything has been designed with ease of use from day one.

As I continue to play with the I8910, I notice all the niggles with S60 5th Edition that can't be hidden like the menu option for the animated transitions (disabled by default). The web browser is slow and the email client designed by someone that still thinks email is something no consumer is that bothered about. Only now on the latest Eseries models is Nokia giving a pretty decent email experience, with customisable displays and layouts, while the I8910 has next to nothing.

The Satio will, sadly, suffer the same problems. It's why I hoped they'd be moving on to the next revision - the first official Symbian Foundation OS release - by release.

But, it will still have the potential to offer a good size and package for whatever money. There are plenty of people who buy on the look of the device as well as the features, so if they prefer the Satio design and the shutter cover (which is always the best way to activate and close the camera) then that will rank it higher on their list than competiting devices like the I8910 and anything new from Nokia.

Fortunately, too, Sony Ericsson is building on a platform that will see more devices released so they aren't putting all their eggs in one basket and running the risk of losing it all from poor sales. As long as they don't make too many, and operators take it on to sell, they'll do well and re-use the technology on the next products.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 21:58:05
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Your first point is correct, we are discussing OPINIONS like yours, because IMO the Satio lacks NOTHING. The Satio will stand out with an amazing camera and a VERY good interface that works VERY fast. So it's GUI is one way it will stand out.
And the iPhone has advanced features???????
PLEASE explain to us all what exactly you think these advanced features are cause I'm totally at a loss?
HD video recording doesn't interest me personally, and you were making your argument sound like there were many phones with this feature and so therefore the Satio was rubbish, I just corrected you. The Satio is tiny compared the Omnia HD, that to will make it stand out against the Samsung.
And again you cannot compare the Pixon, you are wrong, people are being sold apps and apps stores these day's, and for that you NEED a smart phone to make the most of those apps. Android has it, SE and Nokia have them, Apple has one etc etc.
The Pixon does not have an APPs store does it? Not to mention all the other things you can do like edit MS Office docs etc.
I'm vaguely interested in apps myself but not greatly, I just want turn by turn sat nav and to be honest I would be prepared to buy and use a C905 if Satio wasn't launched.
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Posted: 2009-06-06 22:20:18
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It's interesting to read someone say HD video doesn't mean much - so it's okay to leave out - yet the fact that there are millions of people out there happy to do without a top-end camera or video doesn't mean it's okay for there to be an iPhone.

There are phones out there to suit all tastes and needs, just like cars, and the iPhone has a segment of the market that other manufacturers pretty much aren't going to steal back. You could even argue that some iPhone users previously owned a fairly basic phone before and bought an iPhone for simplicity and excellent integration with their Mac or iTunes (if they were iPod/iTunes users before).

I use my iPhone 90% as a media player or using apps, checking Facebook and email. I also use it a bit for the web. I'd actually be happy for it to not even have the phone part - rather like a mobile enabled iPod Touch. There are quite a few people that have an iPhone as a second device. The fact is, Apple has done such a good job with the software (and OS 3.0 is nearly here) that the device is almost immaterial. Yes, we'll get a new one and it will have more storage and a tweaked look, but it is bound to follow the same basic design. People like it and we have to accept that.

In fact, anyone that was to get an iPhone or iPod Touch would surely admit that Apple has done something that nobody else has done; focussed on usability and intuitiveness. Symbian, Microsoft and Google haven't managed that yet and I'm yet to properly see the new Palm webOS to give a proper opinion.

The Satio isn't a low-spec phone and it won't have fallen far behind the competition when it comes out. It's smaller than the I8910 HD and has the sliding shutter that makes the camera far easier to use. Even though LG and Samsung will both have their 12MP camera products on the market by then (Samsung has announced theirs, LG will do any day), does it really matter?

We'll hear about the next product and be discussing it here, but phones have quite a long shelf life so SE will still be selling the Satio and making money from it long after we've moved on.

My concern is the same as I've said all along; poor OS and slow UI. Hopefully these things can be improved a little by the time of the release (we know the hardware is going to be fixed) and the SE-specific content loaded on top helps it further.

The problem is that, with S60 5th Edition being a bit clunky, it makes me start to think that the best device will be the Aino and others based on SE's own OS. It may be simple by comparison, but that simplicity is where it can actually start to attack the likes of Apple.
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Posted: 2009-06-07 00:14:14
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I just been watching some You Tube videos of this phone. Looks fantastic and seeing that brilliant screen with the camera images on Though cos it was a pre production model on one video I noticed some serious lag in the menus when some guy was operating it. Hope thats sorted once released.
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Posted: 2009-06-07 02:39:00
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Hey... I noticed something in that video (the gsm arena one). Click watch in HD and you will notice that sony ericsson brought back the little flashing LED
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Posted: 2009-06-07 03:09:09
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Yeah! Noticed that to yea g, reminds me of my W900 now. that LED can be very useful.
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Posted: 2009-06-07 09:59:24
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thanks!
interesting......
the red one looks great, I don't like the "lens"cover bump, though
and I hope to get hthis in a "corect???price'?? whne is it going ti be out?
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Posted: 2009-06-07 16:28:35
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Thanks. It is definatley a big step in the right direction. I am quite settled with my iphone. I have invested in a lot of apps and games so I will have to read up on this more. Anyone know what res it shoots video at? Also can it play youtube native?

Also in that last vid the guy is using a stylus. Those can all be done with just fingers too right?
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Posted: 2009-06-07 21:56:04
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VGA @ 30fps...

Yes...

Yes...
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Posted: 2009-06-07 22:26:27
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In addition to this, it will be way out of date by the time finally get it out!
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Posted: 2009-06-08 17:56:25
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