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@mib
I think the discussion that smartphones are great and regular phones can't be cutting edge is useless. I find that people don't know what a smartphone is even if they have one in their hands. People generally want a good phone and s60 are good not because they're smart, but they have a big screen. And for apps all they seem to want is an app to record unlimited video. My dad's friend was asking me what phone to get as he sold his 7250 out of boredom and had borrowed his brother's 6670. He loved the phone but didn't know what to buy. I suggested a P800 or a K700 for budget reasons and since he didn't want a 6600 or 3660 because everyone else has one. When trying to explain the differences between the phones I mentioned the phone he was using was a smartphone he said, what's a smartphone? I know this is one example but here in Egypt its true for alot of people they don't know what a smartphone is they just buy the phone that is nicer to use. Also the reason why SE doesn't sell well isn't its bad phones but because we have the worst SE dealer in the world. Very few adds very high prices, don't know of software updates and the list goes on. But feature-wise SE phones have everything the average joe has out of the box, where as s60 you need an app to do something.
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Posted: 2005-03-22 11:16:55
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@mib, why should we accept that smartphones are the only definition of smart phone just because you say so
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Posted: 2005-03-22 11:29:47
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Atleast in India, the younger generation knows what smartphones are and how to use them to the fullest whichi is why S60 are such an attractive proposition. I would any day prefer a 6680 to the K750, if they both cost the same.
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Posted: 2005-03-22 11:38:10
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On 2005-03-22 04:02:03, mib1800 wrote:
Geez...maybe that's where our misunderstanding lies. I believe my intention was not to debate, I quote "...by a large cross-section of the populace". I thought we have agreed very early on that a large section (low to midrange) of the buying population have no use of functions beyond the basic or maybe basic+camera.
Read my post again, it has nothing to do with low to mid-range handsets. I am making reference to a broad sweep of the population as customers for smartphones e.g. not exclusively business executives. Worded differently; can you show that a wide range of people are buying smartphones when the empirical evidence shows that they are not?
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I always thought we r debating the higher-end where K750 is positioned.
We are.
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If your point is that K750 is just a mid-range phone (i.e. with prices considerably less than s60) or your argument is based on the WHOLE phone market, then then you can throw this debate out of the window.
As I said above, this isn't the case.
P.S. I included a little statistic in my last post for you. You could have at least said thank you!
(Just my wee jape
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Posted: 2005-03-22 11:54:02
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On 2005-03-22 10:31:49, mib1800 wrote:
goldenface:
I think u hv missed out the following from my view.
"If K750/K600/W800 is leading edge, then how would you describe the following:-
NK6630/6680/6681 - 3G+EDGE+PTT+Smart
Pana X700/800 - smart
Moto A1000 - 3G+Smart
O2 XphoneII - smart
Samsung small-size 3G (forgot model)
Nokias - 6680 looks a nice handset with good specs but if you seriously expect a similar price point to the K750i then you are dreaming. The only aspect of the K750 that might cause the prices to be comparable is the 2MP camera (as we know 1.3MP camphones were v. expensive when first released as the cam technology seems to be expensive to implement). Also, the 6680 may support EDGE and PTT, however they are both gap-bridging technologies that are not supported by networks in a large number of countries/markets (indlucing the UK, where there is no EDGE and only Orange offer any sort of PTT, which is overpriced rubbish that is not used - maybe the reason why SE hasn't implemented them so widely in it's handsets - a more realistic approach to development.
Panasonic/Xphone/Samsung - sorry to pick but the fact that you can't remember the Samsung model number says it all (Z700?). These handsets do not sell, certainly not in the UK market. This is evidence
against your argument, and you don't seem to have been listening before, as this point has already been made. A UI doesn't make a handset and here is the proof of the pudding. If ever there was a clearer representation that people don't buy Nokias for S60, this is it!
Motorola A1000 - not a bad handset, but it's UIQ, and is basically a 3G, plasticky P series, with a MP cam. Hardly an original concept - I believe that was SE's. And the fact that it's exclusive to "3", means that UMTS is basically irrelevant unless you want ot browse very very fast.....around "3"'s ringfenced content!
All in all, I'm still, after god knows how many pages, struggling to understand the point that you're trying to make. But I have no doubt that you'll continue trying to make it, so it should be interesting (or not).
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Posted: 2005-03-22 12:04:56
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I don't like nokia's much (it's just a personal taste thing), and I don't think any of the smartphones are where I want them to be yet, so I'm sticking with regular all-in-one 'set and forget' phones like the K700.
I'm really waiting for regular candybar pocket pc or uiq phones the size of Kseries phones, with proper touch screens and just a little more oomph.
India is leading the world in take up of mobile phones at the moment, which means that smartphones WILL become a big deal worldwide.
In about 1-2 years smartphones will start to replace regular handsets worldwide in a big way.
My prediction is that the new SE smartphone will be a touch screen uiq phone about 5-10 percent larger in volume than the kseries, and 3G enabled. They may also (less likely in my view) bring out a non-touchscreen lower spec smartphone for the line up.
I believe edge is on it's way out, and so do SE. Mr Hakan Eriksson, the Chief Technology Officer of Ericsson, "3G as a technology is more advanced and more efficient". (http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/03/08/stories/2005030800980500.htm).
The good news is 3G will be even cheaper, and the better news is that Indian mobile phone users will finally be able to fully embrace SE technology for mobile internet use.
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Posted: 2005-03-22 12:11:54
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@max
Smartphone adoption by the masses will happen, but not until smartphones are made relevant to ordinary people. Until people feel that smartphones can do something for them in their lives and do it very easily, they will be disinterested.
3G will certainly help smartphones as it will allow consumer friendly applications to be launched and at speeds that don't leave people frustrated waiting on them.
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Posted: 2005-03-22 12:24:18
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Yes 3G is the next big thing, but i don't think it will be cheap enough for the normal guys like me to afford it any soon. and most of the guys who currently use EDGE and GPRS are like me. What they will be looking for is a smartphone, with EDGE. Whichever brand supplies them with these is gonna get a quantum boost in sales! Nokia has taken a step in the right direction atleast in Indian context. :-D Just think about it, Theres not a single SE EDGE handset in a country where EDGE is a rage!!
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Posted: 2005-03-22 12:30:21
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@dave
You are bang on the dot when you say that neither EDGE nor PTT are major factors, certainly not in Europe at any rate.
EDGE isn't widely supported by SE because its core market (Europe) has little in the way of support for EDGE.
PTT is relatively popular in America I believe, but it just hasn't caught on in Europe to any great degree. The PTT we have here is apparently not the same as the service they have in America, our PTT is more akin to a rapid MMS voice messages so I'm told.
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Posted: 2005-03-22 12:38:12
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Se should realise that, theres a world outside Europe.
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Posted: 2005-03-22 12:42:50
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