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@scotsboyuk:

I got to give it to you, ur lecture on human buying behaviour is eye-opening. There may some truth in it for some buyers but it is a bit far-fetched, imho, when u say the majority of high-end phone buyers are indifferent to or hv no knowledge or hv no use for smartphone.

I see we r going nowhere. I believe smartphone is taking off and u said it is not. Maybe u can advise SE (since ur r rumoured to be working for them ), to sleep on the smartphone thing for 2 years.

btw: Mr Evader, you still have not answer my question (not that i expect u to). Do u take tv A or tv B? Do you find 6600 competitive if it is not a smartphone?

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Posted: 2005-03-24 03:59:34
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it seem like SE can stop hiring their consultation from all the big marketing, advertising and indutrial design firm to get an in depth knowledge of consumer/user behavior....not to mention future trend of mobile user.

They can find it all from Esato......
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Posted: 2005-03-24 04:12:54
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@mib there are no phones that can be compared in that way. You are assuming that people don't consider style or personal ergonomics choices, which are unique to the individual.

I may see two phones identical in features, except that one phone is a smartphone. Say the smartphone does not appeal to my sense of style or ergonomics. The other phone perfectly suits my sense of style and ergonomics, but isn't a smart phone.

In that context I'd take the non-smartphone, since ergonomics and style are more important to me than smartphone capabilities. Before you decry me as vain, I actually would buy the smartphone over the ergonomicly perfect phone if the smartphone had better camera, memory, and music ability, since those three things are a the top of my list of what I want in a phone. (other than telephony of course!).

But we are comparing phones with identical features, one smart one not. Now if the style and ergonomics both appealed to me equally, yes I would buy the damn smartphone. BUT GUESS WHAT? There is no smartphone on the market that suits my top priorities ie: camera, memory, music, ergonomics and style, in that order.

SE keep besting Nokia in features, ergonomics and style, so you see, because Nokia can't produce a phone that satisfies those criteria for me, I haven't yet been tempted to buy a Nokia smartphone. I want to buy a smartphone, I'm keen, but I suspect it will take SE to bring one out that satisfies my expectations of what a truly good phone/pda integration should be.

To me a phone is a phone first, multimedia device second, and a smartphone third.


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Posted: 2005-03-24 10:44:07
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I got to give it to you, ur lecture on human buying behaviour is eye-opening. There may some truth in it for some buyers but it is a bit far-fetched, imho, when u say the majority of high-end phone buyers are indifferent to or hv no knowledge or hv no use for smartphone.


I don't see it as being far fetched at all, simply because that is what the current mobile market is like. As time progresses and smartphones are actually pushed for what they are and made more relevant to people then they will become more interested in them.

I don't think we should necessarily equate a high-end phone buyer with someone who is deeply interested in technology. There is the case for both, but in between those extremes and on one extreme we have people who are buying such products for the 'wow factor' and because they merely like a certain feature or two.

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I see we r going nowhere. I believe smartphone is taking off and u said it is not.


Actually I do think smartphones are taking off, which you can see from my previous posts in this thread. I do not think, however, that increased smartphones sales are necessarily to do with an uptake in interest in smartphone features though.

More and more people are becoming interested in smartphones as smartphones, but I think we are still a few years away from a situation, in which smartphones can enter the mainstream mobile market on their own merits i.e. smartphone features and be accepted by the high-end customer at large.

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Maybe u can advise SE (since ur r rumoured to be working for them ), to sleep on the smartphone thing for 2 years.


SE are rumoured to have two new smartphones coming out this year, which you can read about here. There is also rumoured to be a new generation of smartphone, the P1000 if you will, next year. So I'm told anyway; Miles mentioned it to me when we were standing in the lunch queue.

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btw: Mr Evader, you still have not answer my question (not that i expect u to). Do u take tv A or tv B? Do you find 6600 competitive if it is not a smartphone?


I thought I did answer those questions, but nevertheless ...

On the question of the telly:

Personally I would choose the one I liked best, irrespective of what fancy features it had. I prefer Sony products as I believe them to be of a high quality, so I would probably go with the Sony option if there was one. I have bought products before that didn't have quite as many features as another product because I don't need them and I know may people who have done likewise. Basically I would choose the option that best suited my needs, fancy features or not.

As for the 6600:

I think the 6600 was very competitive when it was released, although it does look somewhat dated now (both in terms of basic and smartphone features). As Arez pointed out, all sorts of people bought a 6600 simply because it was a Nokia cameraphone. Personally I would have bought a 6600 if I had been out of contract when it came out. My K700 was bought for me and by the time the S700 was released the 6600 was outdated in terms of the basic features that I wanted from it. However, given the option I would have probably bought a 6600, I rather liked the look of it and it had a fairly good range of basic features that I would have used.

You have been a most worthy opponent sir, I doff my cap to thee.

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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-03-24 12:32 ]
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Posted: 2005-03-24 12:34:37
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I have had several PDA/Phones and always ended going back to a regular phone, the screens are just to small for real work.
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Posted: 2005-03-25 05:50:24
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Many people do not want extra functionality in their phones, even if it does not cost more. They presume that it will cost something somewhere. So they might prefer the T100 at €100 than the K500 an €105.
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Posted: 2005-03-25 09:12:12
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and they are usually right. Most usefulness of smartphones includes internet which still incurs a hefty fee (unless you are in India with an edge phone - dirt cheap there, ask whizzkid)

I hammered away at my gprs internet for about two hours last night. My download session was about 1MB overall, which at 2 cents per kilobyte, is just over $20! (I'm not on a data plan, so pay the voice plan data rate.)

Capped plans for data are $9.95 for 2MB, $50 for 500MB (above that is classified "excessive use"!). I'm talking about 48Kbps gprs not EDGE!

We got it shit here in Australia. It's why I haven't even bothered with a smartphone yet.
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Posted: 2005-03-28 00:16:17
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@scotboyuk

Quote: I don't think we should necessarily equate a high-end phone buyer with someone who is deeply interested in technology.

I agree with your statment. My point is more of high-end buyers would be more discerning when making a choice (since they hv to pay more money for phone) - i.e. "value-for-money" factor.

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Actually I do think smartphones are taking off, which you can see from my previous posts in this thread.

great. at least we agreed on something.


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I do not think, however, that increased smartphones sales are necessarily to do with an uptake in interest in smartphone features though.

i'm partial on this as well. My main stance is the "more is better" or "bigger is better" syndrome that buyers have. I think I read an article that says phone with bigger screen / better camera / memory slot are getting very popular. Coincidentally smartphone fits these attributes.


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SE are rumoured to have two new smartphones coming out this year, which you can read about here.
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maybe when the time comes we can hv a "SE smartphone technology" debate.

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You have been a most worthy opponent sir, I doff my cap to thee.


ditto.



[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2005-03-29 10:11 ]
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Posted: 2005-03-29 11:09:38
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Okaay, but with the release of these new phones i think they have taken a leap forward!
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Posted: 2005-03-29 14:54:17
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@mib1800

Had to get the last word eh?
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Posted: 2005-03-30 12:06:33
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