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indeed. most of the perceived speed improvement is simply the faster 1ghz processor.
Apps can individually take advantage of the dual core outside of the O/S support which still leaves plenty of available power when phones do have honeycomb (or later), which confirms my argument of why we yet need quad core?
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Posted: 2011-08-18 09:39:57
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On 2011-08-18 09:39:57, masseur wrote:
indeed. most of the perceived speed improvement is simply the faster 1ghz processor.
Apps can individually take advantage of the dual core outside of the O/S support which still leaves plenty of available power when phones do have honeycomb (or later), which confirms my argument of why we yet need quad core?
Sorry masseur, I must have misread your post.
Anyway, I do see a need for more processing power on phones as well as tablets, though not necessarily as much on the CPU. If you have a look at Tegra 3 (Kal-El), you'll note that it has lower power consumption than its predecessor, which was used in a number of phones, including the LG Optimus 2X. With the upcoming release of Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich), the OS will have greater hardware requirements and it will rely more on the GPU for giving that butter smooth experience.
GPU acceleration for user interfaces was added in Honeycomb, and it's such a great improvement compared to previous versions. With GPU acceleration in ICS, manufacturers will need to include great GPU's in their products and there's no denying that Tegra is perhaps the best choice right now.
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2011-08-18 08:56 ]
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Posted: 2011-08-18 09:55:05
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Exactly, Miz!
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Posted: 2011-08-18 10:51:54
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But SE will only use qualcomm in their phones. Perhaps also ST-ericsson some day. Also the new nvidia quadcore is pretty big (in actual size), 80mm2 (tegra2 49mm2) so maybe it will be hard to fit in a phone.
I think SE will use the normal qualcomm dualcore. Best case scenario maybe krait, but SE seems to suck at getting hardware out fast so i doubt it. I dont even think they can compete with processors, they should focus on cameras and interface.
edit. Hope SE understands the importance of this
http://androidandme.com/2011/[....]8nm-device-this-calendar-year/
HTC will probably have a monster device ready with this
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-08-18 11:55 ]
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Posted: 2011-08-18 12:52:24
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On 2011-08-18 09:55:05, Mizzle wrote:
On 2011-08-18 09:39:57, masseur wrote:
indeed. most of the perceived speed improvement is simply the faster 1ghz processor.
Apps can individually take advantage of the dual core outside of the O/S support which still leaves plenty of available power when phones do have honeycomb (or later), which confirms my argument of why we yet need quad core?
Sorry masseur, I must have misread your post.
Anyway, I do see a need for more processing power on phones as well as tablets, though not necessarily as much on the CPU. If you have a look at Tegra 3 (Kal-El), you'll note that it has lower power consumption than its predecessor, which was used in a number of phones, including the LG Optimus 2X. With the upcoming release of Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich), the OS will have greater hardware requirements and it will rely more on the GPU for giving that butter smooth experience.
GPU acceleration for user interfaces was added in Honeycomb, and it's such a great improvement compared to previous versions. With GPU acceleration in ICS, manufacturers will need to include great GPU's in their products and there's no denying that Tegra is perhaps the best choice right now.
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2011-08-18 08:56 ]
It's a wide misunderstood that Tegra is the best in GPU...
Tegra 2 toke the crown for short time... and is best for phones not tablets, as most Tegra 2 based tablets ( including Xoom and Transformer ) have some lagging when handling the UI in the tablet high resolution screen as Tegra 2 was designed to be a phone SOC not a tablet SOC + GPU wasn't that important that days ( no accelerated UI yet )
currently iPad 2's A5 is the best, but A5 in a phone ( iPhone 5 ) will use lower performance chip ( CPU and GPU sides ) in order to reduce battery consumption...
before A5, TI had the best GPU in wild... as they used the PowerVR SGX544 GPU...
Qualcomm uses their own Adreno GPU's ( bought from AMD ) and these parts are same level as Tegra 2 or older PowerVR SGX540 depending on exact model ( Adreno 205/220 )...
the A5 in iPad2 uses PowerVR SGX543MP2 ( which is basically 2x SGX543 ) and this is still not the fastest part
ST Ericsson uses Mali which is powerful too, but not as powerful as what PowerVR have...
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Posted: 2011-08-18 13:24:13
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On 2011-08-18 13:24:13, Xajel wrote:
[...] as most Tegra 2 based tablets ( including Xoom and Transformer ) have some lagging when handling the UI in the tablet high resolution screen as Tegra 2 was designed to be a phone SOC not a tablet SOC + GPU wasn't that important that days ( no accelerated UI yet )
That's a ridiculous point and completely invalid. Honeycomb is almost fully GPU accelerated, only some rarely used components are not yet accelerated. The Honeycomb launcher is written in Renderscript, utilizing both CPU and GPU power on the device.
Besides, you can't say that one GPU is not more powerful than another because it lags in some areas. That could be caused by software. Besides, there's no way to fairly compare Tegra and A5, because they don't run on the same platform and Objective C programming (used in iOS) is more efficient compared to Java, which is used in most Android applications. Renderscript is native programming as well, so that'll be quite efficient.
Also, it's worth point out that I've got a Honeycomb tablet myself that runs perfectly smooth without any sort of lagging. There goes your point... again.
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2011-08-18 13:08 ]
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Posted: 2011-08-18 14:04:06
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This screenshot was posted today on SE's product blog:
Look at the Media folder on bottom dockbar. New kind of folders?
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Posted: 2011-08-18 19:29:27
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On 2011-08-18 19:29:27, mediar wrote:
This screenshot was posted today on SE's product blog:
Look at the Media folder on bottom dockbar. New kind of folders?
I smell an impending Apple lawsuit if that is the new folder.
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Posted: 2011-08-18 21:43:00
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Tegra 3, is quad core, and uses less power than tegra2. I really look forward to quad core phones, even dual core phones struggle at times for .mkv files..
Also Sony ericsson was able to have 1500mh battery on the xperia ray, which was pretty small compared to the arc's battery, so I think sony ericsson should be able to put in 1800-2200mh battery in the bigger form...
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Posted: 2011-08-18 22:52:53
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Eldar Murtazin said today that "Sony Ericsson has no chances as well and its disappearance is the question of time. Times are changing and these companies have no place in the market. Even Nokia, which seemed invincible several years ago is going down."
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Posted: 2011-08-19 20:47:52
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