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Flash capacitors are too thick.
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Posted: 2011-08-29 15:53:30
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I think that is the main thing missing from the 2011 Xperia line up - a proper flash, whether it is Xenon or some other technology.
They are still releasing new heritage phones such as the Live with
, perhaps android with Cyber-shot is not far behind.
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Posted: 2011-08-29 16:15:28
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rickster2kuk Posts: > 500
I think the fear with Xenon is that it would massively eat into battery, also the modules are bigger. Agreed thou, it would be a welcome edition. The Xenon on the C905 was awesome.
I think SE may push more towards Cybershot again, esp after the Exmor R sensor in the Arc, they really, really need to invest more in the camera dept. 8mpx is fine, but we need more options and tweaks (quality settings, colour settings) so we don't just get the default over saturated, compressed photos the Arc produces. I've no doubt that the Arc sensor is very good, but it really is held back by SE's default image processing.
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Posted: 2011-08-29 16:36:35
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Sonyericsson 8MP exmor sensor is not that good than you think. Next Iphone will have 8MP SONY image sensor that is different from sonyericsson 8 MP exmor sensor and has different lens. If the sonyericsson sensor 8MP Exmor V1 is ~15-20 $, sony sensor and lens kit for next iphone will cost double,, like ~30-40 $ per module. If you will compare in next mounth Iphone 5 vs Xperia Arc you will see a huge image quality difference between photos of the two phones even if the two sensors cames from same manufacture (sony).
Xperia Arc lens are low quality ones and the image sensor came in the market to fast without much tweaking in sensor arhitecture.
Much better was for sonyericsson if they used in new xperia phones kit sensors from samsung, toshiba or other companies. They failed with xperia 2011 photo quality and camera.
Galaxy s2 image sensor has a huge deparasitating hardware filter.. sony ericsson xperia arc lacks one ....
Even latest generations of korean led flash are 2x. 4x performant than sonyericssson used in xperia 2011 family. And they aproach xenon in lumens.. SONY ERICSSON WAKE UP.. we are all asking to wake up but you're sleepin in your pants... WAKE UP !!!
So tell me what's the difference between sonyericsson xenon and samsung latest high power led flash
[ This Message was edited by: koss on 2011-08-29 18:22 ]
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Posted: 2011-08-29 18:59:55
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Lot of people may be waiting for android phone with xenon flash.. Im waiting for long time... Even motorola developed one but they failed in quality.. We really dont want a thin phone with xenon.. We simply want xenon with good image quality.. I dont call c901 as thicker phone as its considerably thin for a xenon phone.. So if
push something from their effort then they can manage to bring some thinner phones..
The android currently lacks xenon phones.. I doubt samsung keeps something under their roof. If so then they will eat the market again.. Then there will b no place for
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can be good in this segment if they bring a cybershot. Walkman is old story since software trickes no longer cheat android users there are plenty of music players available with great functionality.. So its better to undust some old xenon modules.
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Posted: 2011-08-29 19:30:19
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if Xenon can't fit on the device why not make it an accessory? I've been waiting for an MXE-60 successor ever since. SE used to have huge portfolio of cool and unique accessories. Sony made NEX series without built in flash and instead add an external module to maintain its size, why SE can't do this is beyond me. also with external flash the product can support multiple devices
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Posted: 2011-08-31 03:29:10
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I think because external accessories are not as portable and it's one more thing to remember. The idea of external flash accessories go as far back as the T68, hardly a step forward. What we should be asking is that, if alternative technology is available then why is it not being implemented?
Is there no alternative to Xenon? What about Plasma flash or something else that will give a marked improvement in a slim form? It will be breakthroughs such as this that will make a difference.
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Posted: 2011-08-31 03:41:14
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As i've found, the plasma flash found on some japanese phones were nothing but a glorified LED Flash with a little bit stronger luminance but they are still nowhere near the performance of Xenon flashes, the
real plasma bulbs were hot and unreliable and they need separate cooling support to prevent overheating. also they are not power efficient
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Posted: 2011-08-31 05:13:08
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http://pocketnow.com/android/[....]-beats-audio-class-leading-cam
If SE doesnt step up, HTC is taking the camera throne
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-08-31 11:30 ]
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Posted: 2011-08-31 11:55:19
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Sony Ericsson C901 with xenon flash 13mm thick
Sony Ericsson Neo without xenon also 13mm thick
So I don't think that thickness is the issue here, besides many people can live with thicker phone, as long as it has this damn xenon. Also power consumption is high only when using the xenon, so it's also not an issue. User can choice whether he wants long battery or not. IMO xenon flash costs much to implement in phone, and there is no big market desire for it, that's why it was abandoned
But someone somewhere will hopefully see that xenon flash is a must in any so called camera phone. And I will be very glad to buy that phone, one exception though, it must be android
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Posted: 2011-08-31 11:59:27
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