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On 2006-08-26 08:57:37, shyam335 wrote:
seperate chips?
how's that possible,according to your theory there must be 4 or more chip's in k750,but as i know there is only one arm9 based processor (plus maybe some seperate for fm and gsm which is unlikely).
when mp3 player,browser are all running they share the same physical memory,so how can a os without memory management and multitasking ability run them?
Yes, separate chips. There is a JAVA processor, sound processor, camera processor etc. The ARM9 runs the phone itself, most of the actual functions run off-chip (on their own micro-processors). Neither the K750 or K800 os's have mutli-tasking ability. The Java chip on the K800 can run multiple java apps within one multitasking virtual machine, but that's the limit of multi-tasking in K800.
The ARM9 processor can manage IO requests to and from all the chips attached, but it can't do in parallel all the calculations that those other chips do separately. The reason you can run java AND the mp3 player for example, is because the Sound chip is processing the audio, and the Java chip is processing java. Once the Sound chip has been told to output sound, it runs of it's own accord with no input from the main processor.
@mib, actually I partly agree with you. I wasn't 100% serious about smart phones becoming obsolete
I more just mean that non-smart phones will become much smarter, meaning smartphones won't take over the market (as I used to think they might). With the advent of K800 and hopefully more like it, I think that it's no longer likely that smartphones will become predominant. They'll stay much were they are now.
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Posted: 2006-08-27 03:01:08
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On 2006-08-26 06:04:04, Prom1 wrote:
So in short I believe Smartphones with creative apps will STILL have a place due to their SUPERIOR application multitasking; BUT SE isnt TOO far behind. However they need to kill off that NetFront browser and implement their complete push email & webbrowsing suite. Moreover, I have YET to see a non TouchScreen/Smartphone phone be able to EDIT office documents (Word/Excel/PowerPoint)!! A great market killer if this can be done.
Yeah, I was a little hasty with claims about smartphones. See my reply to mib in the previous post - I actually agree with you, smartphones are along way from obsolete
Actually, I probably still believe eventually all phones will have multi-tasking os's, but the JAVA multi-tasking VM will put that off for quite a few years imho.
Agree with you about office compatibility on non-touchscreen, but what about JAVA support for Office apps? With the power of handsets like K800 it's very feasible now.
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Posted: 2006-08-27 03:11:06
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On 2006-08-26 05:04:13, mib1800 wrote:
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Quote:Actual smartphones will become almost obsolete and only needed in the high end market (as they used to be).
I think it is the other way round. More and more non-touchscreen smartphones are becoming the norm in mid-end. (s60, wm by samsung & htc, linux like moto e2).
Oh dear God, if nokia make touchscreen smart phones then they will be exactly the same as the SE M and P series with UIQ3 hence why they don't. And why do people like you go on about S60 and the SE normal interface. It's simple fact, a 5 year old child can pick up a K800I and use it but NOT a S60 device, it's more advanced and therefore more tricky to use as it offers true multitasking etc, but I like many others here say that S60 HAS to be compared to SE's own smart phones because the S60 interface is for smart phones, even the N80 uses the same S60 interface as the N70 and it's called a 'multimedia computer phone' not a multimedia phone.
I went from a 7610 Nokia to a K750I and it was like a complete breath of freash air, I didn't bother reading the manual as it was so easy to use and absolutly fell in love with SE's interface plus it was very stylish and small compared to the then 6680 which looked like a plastic brick.
Nokia are so obsessed with every b*****y phone being a 3G smart phone that they've forgotten about size and ease of use IMO. The Nokia 6233 is the most comparable to Sony Ericssons K610I size wise and it still doesn't have all the features like video calling or ease of use.
I find nokia's to be boaring now a day's and other makes have much more class, Nokia may have the big stake in the market share's but I think you'll find SE are gunning after them big time now.
Plus Nokia have only just released it's own customer update service, planned forward thinking or a panic response to SE, you decide.
The real comparison review I think will be the Nokia N91 versus the Sony Ericsson W950I, wonder which interface will win?
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Posted: 2006-08-27 03:32:24
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Very good points, I couldn't agree more...
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Posted: 2006-08-27 06:28:03
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sony ericsson is the best
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Posted: 2006-08-27 08:15:11
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With the advent of K800 and hopefully more like it, I think that it's no longer likely that smartphones will become predominant. They'll stay much were they are now.
Statistically it does not seems that way. We do know Nokia N-series sales grew 50% from q1 to q2 06 alone. S60 (and smartphone) sales growth is also more than double growth of the general market. This year alone Nokia will sell something like 40-50 million S60. (compare to SE TOTAL phone sales of 60 million)
apolloa
Nokia are so obsessed with every b*****y phone being a 3G smart phone that they've forgotten about size and ease of use IMO.
Let's see.
K750 -> K800. Big increase in weight and size with small screen (a regression)
N70 -> N73. Decrease in size and weight with big screen (improvement)
It's simple fact, a 5 year old child can pick up a K800I and use it but NOT a S60 device
There are 10 times more people picking up a S60 than a K800. And this number is increasing leap and bound every year. Many are 2nd-Nth generation users. If S60 is so difficult/problematic then would'nt these people be "once bitten twice shy". How do you explain this phenomenon?
imo, it is because S60 (especially N-series) are loaded with functionality that other phones cannot compare. There are always a increasing group of techies who likes functionality more than aesthetic/brand.
S40 on the other hand has been relegated to lower end/business phone. 6233 will most probably sell more than K800 because this group of buyers want reliable and easy to use and fuzz free phone. And s40 track record is much better than SE UI.
SE do have good products. But if K800 is the best that it can do, then it is unlikely that SE can capture the high-end market like the N-series can. You may say SE has P-series but unfortunately it is a niche phone which is unlikely to see many non-business buyers.
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Posted: 2006-08-27 08:38:21
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On 2006-08-27 03:32:24, apolloa wrote:
Oh dear God, if nokia make touchscreen smart phones then they will be exactly the same as the SE M and P series with UIQ3 hence why they don't. And why do people like you go on about S60 and the SE normal interface. It's simple fact, a 5 year old child can pick up a K800I and use it but NOT a S60 device, it's more advanced and therefore more tricky to use as it offers true multitasking etc, but I like many others here say that S60 HAS to be compared to SE's own smart phones because the S60 interface is for smart phones, even the N80 uses the same S60 interface as the N70 and it's called a 'multimedia computer phone' not a multimedia phone.
I went from a 7610 Nokia to a K750I and it was like a complete breath of freash air, I didn't bother reading the manual as it was so easy to use and absolutly fell in love with SE's interface plus it was very stylish and small compared to the then 6680 which looked like a plastic brick.
Nokia are so obsessed with every b*****y phone being a 3G smart phone that they've forgotten about size and ease of use IMO. The Nokia 6233 is the most comparable to Sony Ericssons K610I size wise and it still doesn't have all the features like video calling or ease of use.
I find nokia's to be boaring now a day's and other makes have much more class, Nokia may have the big stake in the market share's but I think you'll find SE are gunning after them big time now.
Plus Nokia have only just released it's own customer update service, planned forward thinking or a panic response to SE, you decide.
The real comparison review I think will be the Nokia N91 versus the Sony Ericsson W950I, wonder which interface will win?
Um FYI: Nokia DID make 2 Touch screen smartphones to date ... the 7700/10 (the 7700 was for providers ONLY some few ppl have them) while the 7710 was the testbed for true Video over the network ... albeit in EDGE form. These models where based on the Series90 Platform; which was SAID by NOkia to be integrated with S60 and is long overdue. S90 is NOTHING like UIQ1/2/3. Completely on its own.
The other model Nokia 6708; is based on UIQ2. Its horrible in design & implementation.
> I used the 6620 which is a complete cousing to the 7610 and if you had to read the manual indepth then you're not as adept as you may think. Mind you I still had to look at the manual for things like saving SMS to the memory card (something SE phones only allowed with the k750 as their the first with expandable memory, P800 did not). Either you never had to figure out how to transform a Transformer toy or build a Lego set from scratch, or just gave up when it got hard. But not everyone has patience to play with menu of the phone.
The Nokia 6280 is not bulky and its 3G, 6151 is also quite small in the 3G realm. Dont make such quick assumptions! I dont like MOST of Nokia's designs but I have played with S60 and to me its S60 2ND edition of text'n was incredible more inuitive to me than the Ericsson/SE phones I've used. However, that lack of everlasting style and stability won me back into the fold. Without venturing out of SE you'll never truely appreciate the SE devices.
I still cannot love the styling of the K790i, so I'm getting the w810. But waiting for a walkman based K790/800, if it doesnt come out i'll likely upgrade.
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Posted: 2006-08-27 10:29:10
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@mib, now yes, but if powerful "non"-smartphones like K800 start to become common, it could stem that growth in smartphones.
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Posted: 2006-08-27 15:11:47
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Quote:@mib, now yes, but if powerful "non"-smartphones like K800 start to become common, it could stem that growth in smartphones.
Or maybe SE will make successor to K800 a smartphone.
btw: previous K750 didnt stem the growth of s60.
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Posted: 2006-08-27 18:07:22
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I had written a great response to your posts that took me about half an hour to type, however when I pressed the submit button I forgot to enter my username and password AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
So instead I'll just pick up one point, the review compared the 6233 to the K800I, the real competitor to the Nokia is the K610I which IMO is going to trounce Nokia's sales on that model as the SE offers so much more functionality like video calling with a much better UI as proven in the review.
Oh and to Prom1, the 6620 was never released in the UK so have never seen it, we got the 6600 almost the same without EDGE and I did forget the 7710 but it's now where near the P series league and I don't think it's a UIQ interface is it?
The best Nokia phone ever I think was the 7110 loved it, I might even buy one of retrophone, at least I can chuck my PAYG sim in it and I won't get stabbed or shot using it in the street!!
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Posted: 2006-08-27 23:23:38
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