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I feel sorry for all of you that waited so long for your P990i`s and are not happy with them. But on the other hand a good thing (i think) is that the P990i`s price will (maybe) fall.. So in next upcomming firmwares lets hope SE fixes everything or most of the issues related to P990i`s fw. And in the meantime P990i`s price will be falling..
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Posted: 2006-10-28 15:35:03
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On 2006-10-28 13:47:05, antz88c wrote:
Jah ...
the thread is about 'was it worth the wait' we are giving our own opinions and how come you're airing your unsolicited comment?
Well thank you for your polite response. You have a nice day.
Noticed you avoided the point that the N93 has been released longer than the P990
And this is a public and open forum
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Posted: 2006-10-28 15:37:00
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On 2006-10-28 15:35:03, intelegent115 wrote:
I feel sorry for all of you that waited so long for your P990i`s and are not happy with them. But on the other hand a good thing (i think) is that the P990i`s price will (maybe) fall.. So in next upcomming firmwares lets hope SE fixes everything or most of the issues related to P990i`s fw. And in the meantime P990i`s price will be falling..
Mate, the price of the phone is increasing again. When the firmware is released,it may also make the price of the phone higher again if the firmware can really fixed the problem of the phone.
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Posted: 2006-10-28 15:48:42
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Hi Jah,
I have in previous threads given thanks to those that were the early adopters for their excellent reports and feedback. I waited until R9A for the M600i as by then the reports were of a stable usable device, i have had no crashes or freezes so yes it is stable. But IMO UIQ3 is no where near as good as UIQ2 was or ever likely to be with the current hardware and firmware available.
Re the bluetooth well I'm jealous that you have no problems i am only telling it as i find it. Unless i turn it on in the M600 prior to booting up my laptop no chance and even then it is hit or miss everything is configured correctly in M-Router and PC Suite its even paired in my bluetooth devices. MY N93 as soon as i turn on bluetooth is found and recognised and connects always so it can't be the bluetooth on my laptop or the USB dongle that is not working what other conclusion can i reach.
As much as supporters of the P990 and M600 are entitled to sing its praises so are those that are less than happy with what they have got. There are so many different threads on so many Forums with people all reporting if not the same very similar problems and it can't all be down to user error can it?
Also i was just saying what my preference was and what i was using it for it did the job better for the things i want it to do it wasn't a direct comparison. I don't understand the logic of the N93 has been out longer as it has only had 1 firmware update although is now on the 3rd version of firmware from the very early units. It has not been out as long as the M600 but what this has do with with anything i really don't know. Unless of course its the famous wait for an update to fix all the problems line again. Just out of interest what happens if the week 48 update that is due to fix a lot of the problems makes very little difference then what wait for week 52 or just the next model?
Marc
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Posted: 2006-10-28 17:28:06
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does anybody can help with a silly question? the P990 allows me to choose if i will reveal my number when normaly dialing a number. i still cannot though make the choice when i dial a number using the address book. is there a way i can do that without the silly *31# which creates problems in sms.
anyone that can help out there?
thanks
steeve
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Posted: 2006-10-28 18:34:01
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On 2006-10-28 17:28:06, Dogmann wrote:
Hi Jah,
... I don't understand the logic of the N93 has been out longer as it has only had 1 firmware update although is now on the 3rd version of firmware from the very early units. ...
Marc
Okay for clarification for those that were not aware. Nokia made a major update to the N93 firmware about 4 weeks ago that meant that when the web browser was launched all other apps were not shut down, it also optimised the OS to release an additional 5mb of RAM. This is the what the next release of the P990 FW is also aimed at doing. This is why I was referring to the timing issue - it took Niokia a few months before it could make a major change to FW. SE are a month behind that is all.
And to make sure I am not off topic I think the P990 was worth waiting for. The M600 was a real surprise and I think its probably too innovative for most users.
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Posted: 2006-10-28 18:35:35
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Really, the beauty of forum like this one is that everyone can say it's opinion and I appreciate it very much. I can see how many smart people are here and one can learn a lot. From that point I would like to thanks to all esato members.
Regarding P990 discussion something is very confusing if not funny. The discussion goes to direction that P990 is piece of junk. I heard comments like 'we are discreetly laughing to owners of P990', 'the torture is over because I sold it' etc. Isn't it funny. It is clear that P990 is admirable smartphone. Look at positive comments 'beautiful screen, wlan, landscape browsing, very good camera, touch screen, querty, document to go, rss feeds, BT stereo music, usb storage, 3g, end so many other positive comments.
SE made a huge mistake by launching P990 with the first bad firmware. It gave people a chance to attack it mercilessly. The bags will be fixed with next firmware but they unnecessary invited negative attention.
RAM can't be add physicaly but through memory management it can be improved. It is obviously that that improvement may and will not satisfy all but N95 and other phones are there so everyone is free to chose.
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Posted: 2006-10-28 18:58:27
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On 2006-10-28 11:01:53, Jah wrote:
1. Every new OS had a stability issue. WM5 this time last year was not bullet proof
2. The P910 represents 3 years of development of UIQ2, starting with the P800
3. a Linux Smartphone OS has still not seen the light of day as building Smartphones OSs is not simple
Edited for clarity.
TOTALLY agree with you 200% on point #2! This ties in with Dogman's statement of users expectations being too high/low, right to the T!
However, point 3 you're wrong. Technically. Motorola has over 4 gen's of smartphones running on a Linux OS core tied to the Java Runtime Engine ( backwards starting with most recent: A1200, A728, E680i, E600, A780, A768i, A760, A388c, etc). The problem with Motorola in the smartphone industry is they're spread out very thin and cannot decide what is their top model OS; they seem to follow trends and screwing OS makers over (they cant with M$). I wont buy their phones - came close IF the MPX100 shipped.
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On 2006-10-28 17:28:06, Dogmann wrote:
(Edited for clarity) I waited until R9A for the M600i as by then the reports were of a stable usable device, i have had no crashes or freezes so yes it is stable. But IMO UIQ3 is no where near as good as UIQ2 was or ever likely to be with the current hardware and firmware available.
As much as supporters of the P990 and M600 are entitled to sing its praises so are those that are less than happy with what they have got. There are so many different threads on so many Forums with people all reporting if not the same very similar problems and it can't all be down to user error can it?
Marc
Marc, excellent post. While I also agree with you on many points (I'm a Gemini, go figure, lol) I got to point out something you stated yet unbeknownst to others.
Many ppl have complained about their usuage of the P990i, while others praise better usuage on the M600 - both running the same core OS & GUI. However nobody has stated specifics of their usuage that caused their discontent. ie Bluetooth syncing with my computer never works, I've paired unpaired called my phone other names yet no resolution. This ISNT enough for others to assist nor to qualify their unsatisfaction as it could apply to another user. What PC are they using, is the os counterfit, did they try different BT drivers if using a WinXP SP2? How is pairing with other computers, and did they even try? Is it the hardware? etc. very hard to assist some1 with this issue or qualify.
I think the P990i should have been run through many tests but it was hard for SE or application developers to do so because of no full production apps - wide range - and developers only had emulators for the P990i. So you can see how when the P990i shipped it seemed users where beta testers. I'll bet when the P800 came around ppl felt the exact same way. Nokia has a benefit with their Symbian OS 9.1 core devices because they shipped SO many with differing cpu's and ram variances. SE is learning and with the M600 being stable; I have no doubt that the P990 will get this way shortly; though I'd be happier with more RAM.
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Posted: 2006-10-29 05:22:29
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1. Every new OS had a stability issue. WM5 this time last year was not bullet proof
2. The P910 represents 3 years of development of UIQ2, starting with the P800
3. a Linux Smartphone OS has still not seen the light of day as building Smartphones OSs is not simple
4. M$'s Vista has been delayed by 2 years
My first thought is never to use MS as an example. They are horrible.
I'm an old man in the tech industry (sigh, over 20 years now). The 990 is simply one of the worst initial releases I've encountered. SE was not, and is not with excuse a to release a product in this state to the public. I wish is was just an issue of not being 'bulletproof'. I was hoping for better than 'mortally wounded'
As for the OS not being simple, SE is a wealthy company with pleanty of resources for R&D, not to mention all of the Symbian relationships.
Consider looking at this from the angle of another industry. What if the next M from BMW was released in this condition? I paid for a premium product, and I expect a premium product. Ever company has its flops, it seems this may be one of them. I'm not waking away from SE, as too good of a history. Rather, I'll cut my losses with the 990 and wait for the next try.
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Posted: 2006-10-29 06:06:31
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@Billdoor13, an dog such as yourself (if you'll allow this in admiration, not intended as an insult -I'm not young myself), would never compare the phone/cellular industry or smartphone to the car industry. Your point is simple and directly apply's in a "premium product purchase" sense. However the entire care industry advances as a whole because the basic OS/heart of almost every care manufactured is a common base or the same throughout. Differences are minimal and specific: Although Ford owns a controlling stake in Mazda they do NOT own the license /have the R&D to maintain or make a Wankel Rotary Engine themselves. Millner Cycle Engine is still based on the Piston engine but strokes are seriously different. OS' and their great advancement changes incredibly. Especially the new code base for Symbian OS 9.1 along with its GUI UIQ3.
Sorry to hear that you didnt enjoy your experience with the P990i but I just have this hope that it will be stable; yet limited as a pure workhorse in the next few months.
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Posted: 2006-10-29 06:35:39
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