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Posted: 2007-02-16 18:19:00
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sore loser
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Posted: 2007-02-17 05:17:26
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ya going have to agree java still has many limitations...... but still many good apps are created..... and run as well as some s60 and uiq apps...
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Posted: 2007-02-17 06:09:55
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@Arne Anka
So you have just proved my point SE with the release of 3 UIQ3 phones mange to rise to 5.1% of smart phone sales which is under 10 % of the Symbian market share. You also quote that Windows has sales of 14.7% nearly 3 times as much as SE then. Also i wonder if that 5.1% takes into account the number of units that were sold minus the high return rate in which case it would be even smaller.
Again i will reiterate i really hope SE get there act together and deliver devices that they should as then there market share will surely grow. Ericsson where at the start of smart phones the leaders in this technology and delivered outstanding devices but so far UIQ2 is far better than what UIQ3 has so far managed to deliver. Despite what many of you may think i am not an SE hater or basher but i do think the should to taken to task on what they have done so far with UIQ3 and how they have treated thier customers. But if there next devices fail to deliver i think even the most ardent SE fans will desert them as many already have.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-02-17 06:52:23
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i do not mistake you with people of like that mib kid, but even so i think you are to focused in some details bad for SE and exagerate. An example, a guy said in mr the P990 was the most returned phone of is country, around november, and you still keep talking about that all this time and updates after, ignoring other countries, etc. I thing you need to be fair
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Posted: 2007-02-17 12:51:06
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@chamak,
If i need to find where I'm going i start Tom Tom and unlike your touchscreen i can see mine in virtually every lighting condition my screen doesn't become invisible. If you look at Symbian Smart Phones sales which is in the millions how many are touchscreens? not many so you may well believe a Smart phone needs a touchscreen but millions of happy smart phone users don't this is merely your opinion and is not supported by facts. I can also scroll using a mouse cursor with my D pad in my web browser far quicker and with greater accuracy than having to get out a Stylus and keep on tapping again it may be your preference but it is no longer mine. This is the point all of you that insist how great a Touchscreen is this is only your preference and certainly not the majority i hate to tell you just because this is what you believe doesn't make it so.
Marc
Do you know how many countries does tomtom support ? Let me tell you : 25. You definitely know the world doesn't consist of 25 countries, and only people of these 25 countries doesn't use mobile phone, ri8 ?
I think the major reason behind major sales of NonTS sysmbian phones is not being non-TS, it's because it's waay cheaper than the TS one's. how many people do you think can efford a Pxxx ? Yes there are nonTS phones as costly as Pxxx series or even more, but how many users have bought them? i guess waay less then the consumer number of Pxxx series.(as of now I don't have any report reflecting my opinions, and i'm lazy enough not 2 search for any, ri8 now..but why not u find out?)
And last but not least, why not take advantage of TS while u can enjoy non TS functionality (namely P990i) whenever you need to ?
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Posted: 2007-02-17 14:43:51
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On 2007-02-16 03:55:52, mib1800 wrote:
For a simple reason that S60 dont support TS.
And the UIQ2 phone you are talking about is rebadged Benq for Asian market . Moto also have a few TS phone for China market. The TS is mainly for inputting chinese text and not a must-have for smartphone per-se.
doesn't matter point remains: s60 can't do touchscreen, and s90 is crap at it. Nokia have no viable TS option.
Moto TS may be useful for chinese input, but to say it's ONLY for chinese input?? Where do you get that? Why would an Australian destined XDA mini have a TS then?
Infact your point about a ts and chinese input is very true - you simply cannot "draw" on a non-TS.
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Even mid-range N-series has better screen (size wise) and video than all of SE non-smart range. You should also include time-frame in your apple-to-apple compare. N70 came out at the time of K750 and N70 specs is overall better just like N73 is overall better than K800.
Yet K750 cam set precedence of auto-focus and macro mode, showing leadership in camera phone segment. SE are behind on video recording, with W900 and P990 only qvga recording phones in their line-up. They haven't competed on video because 352x288 is still considered pretty poor, and realisticaly on a decent computer monitor it's still rather small. Displays; Nokia is only ahead with the N95 I think. Truth be told, we really should compare N7 series against K800/W850 etc, as SE don't yet have any competitor to N9 series. I'm happy to admit that. K750/W810/W700 etc go with 6680 etc.
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We still havent seen a Java prog that can do call management or play mp3. A simple java to auto-record phone conversation/in-phone answering machine is also not available let alone a full call manager which I have on my N70 that can filter call, auto-redirect, prompt caller to activate phone options etc.
Massive work has been done on the api's to give JAVA access to virtually all the phone hardware. I agree a proper OS still has better access, but you don't seem to have a full awareness of the capability of JAVA VM. No one has written a generic MP3 player app, that doesn't mean it's not possible. Likewise, decent call management is coming. The JAVA platform now supports it and as developers get the hang of the advanced apis now available better apps will surface.
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For developer using S60 they have the full capability OS at their disposal which means more powerful apps. On the other hand, java is implemented disparately by different vendors with most implementing a small subset.
Yes true, but SE uses more of the apis in more of their phones than other OEM's. So SE java phones are far more advanced as an application platform than other non-smart java phones. SE are pushing other OEM's to consider fuller JAVA implementation.
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I used a WM pda before and there is no way a human can write 40
words per minute or 1.5 word per SECOND (unless all the words are garbled and made up of single letter
) But I bet some kid can with T9 (with predictive text on).
Don't judge others by your own standards. Did you use full transcribe function, or just that stupid little virtual keyboard? Using "transcribe", you can write cursive script and the recognition rate (with a bit of practice) is VERY good. I can write on the WM pad as I would normally on a sheet of paper, and the character recognition transcribes my cursive script to ascii characters. You have to practice a bit before it becomes natural, but once it does there is simply no looking back. I might have been exaggerating a little about wpm, but the fact is the character recognition of WM TS is brilliant. 40WPM is certainly easily attainable (a word every 1.5 seconds).
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You want to experiment by dropping with LCD facing down on a pavement?
Don't worry I have inadvertantly tested it a few times, and it's still going strong!
Sure, a hardscreen phone will have a harder screen, but modern TS's are not much softer. They are still very durable and to compare them against hardscreens is picking at fine hairs. Both TS (atleast WM variants I have played with or own) and hardscreen candybars have suitably tough screens for the rigours of a mobile phone's existance.
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Posted: 2007-02-21 23:54:41
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Hi all,
OK you are talking about a touch screen being you preference for data entry but when it comes to the quality and visibility of a screen a non touch screen wins every time. I would rather be able to see my screen in top quality where ever i am than have the possible advantage of a touchscreen for my method of Data entry as lets face it if you can't see the screen clearly you really can't do much can you. This is not just MO go to all about Symbian where Steve Litchfield did an excellent comparison of touch screen and non touchscreen devices and the quality and visibility of these screens makes a very interesting read as non touch screens wins easily.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-02-22 02:15:25
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I won't argue against that but the fact is Touchscreens still have excllent displays. Videos and pictures, not to mention web content, all display just fine and I have no difficulty viewing the display on my XDA. It may not be as good as a quality hardscreen, but that doesn't mean it's bad.
The little bit of extra quality in a hardscreen isn't enough for me to discard the usefulness of a touchscreen.
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Posted: 2007-02-25 23:55:46
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Quote:Why would an Australian destined XDA mini have a TS then?
I thought XDA is WM. I am talking about those Linux Moto for China market.
Quote:They haven't competed on video because 352x288 is still considered pretty poor, and realisticaly on a decent computer monitor it's still rather small.
CIF (352x288) video is very watchable on tv screen. It may not be as good as those taken with handheld but at the very least it is viewable. No SE phones can do this not even the W900.
Quote:I agree a proper OS still has better access, but you don't seem to have a full awareness of the capability of JAVA VM. No one has written a generic MP3 player app, that doesn't mean it's not possible.
I didnt say it is not possible. But many of the more advanced Java APIs are not supported by many vendors. Ironically, the most advanced Java implementation are found in smartphones.
Quote:Did you use full transcribe function, or just that stupid little virtual keyboard? Using "transcribe", you can write cursive script and the recognition rate (with a bit of practice) is VERY good.
I dont find the transcriber (at least on ppc2003) that good. Even after you set your writing style for every letter, it still make mistake. And there are no word prediction when using the transcriber. Furthermore correcting mistake on a TS is a p.i.t.a. For me I can type faster using T9 (with words prediction).
The only thing I find useful with a TS is when you want to take adhoc notes in a meeting (when silence is essential) by using the scribble. For other times, it is much easier just to record a voice note.
Quote:Sure, a hardscreen phone will have a harder screen, but modern TS's are not much softer.
Try putting your TS with your keys and sit on it.
For not TS, I just replace the phone casing. For your TS, you can write it off. As simple as that.
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Posted: 2007-02-27 03:54:16
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