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boinng:
Video - I'll give you this, but having a "much better" novelty rather than a "quite good" novelty isn't going to hold any sway with professional users. You aren't going to use either phone to make your next blockbuster movie, you're just going to have some fun with it, and the P1's video cam will be just as much fun as the N95's.
Using your logic, taking photo in glorious VGA resolution have the same fun as taking photo with 2Mp K800 since viewing the photo in the phone looks as good. I think almost all buyers are not going to buy into your line of argument.
I could point you any number of threads here full of people who absolutely love the identical keyboard on the M600. Who are you going to believe?
That keyboard is targetting one of the biggest niches in the smartphone market, messaging - just ask Blackberry how important that is.
I think I will believe the reviewer from gsmarena.
The first impression I got when I first saw the M600 was: "how can you type using keyboard where 2 letters sharing one key?" If I really needed a qwerty phone to enter lots of data, why would I want a compromised keyboard of P1?
It won't be more expensive - you're trying to compare SE's suggested retail prices at launch with the real-world discounted prices of the N95 now, and that's just not realistic.
That is the reality isnt it? When the P1 comes out in sep/Oct, N95 would have been on the market for 6 months. Consumers are not idiot. Unless there is compelling reason (like the need of TS or a diehard fan), why would someone pay same/more for a lower spec-ed phone.
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2007-05-09 16:42 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-09 17:40:56
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Why would the P1 come out in Sept/Oct? They've said Q3 so that's July at best Sept at worst. Ok I know it wasn't the case with the P990 but hopefully they live and learn...!
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Posted: 2007-05-09 17:45:29
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if it is in July they would have said Q2.
(they can always give the excuse the shipment has started in June and takes couple of weeks to filter to the channels)
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Posted: 2007-05-09 18:18:08
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i dont know much about UIQ. Does it offer the large amount of applications like the S60 3rd edition is now offering?
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Posted: 2007-05-09 18:31:30
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On 2007-05-09 18:31:30, QVGA wrote:
i dont know much about UIQ. Does it offer the large amount of applications like the S60 3rd edition is now offering?
Simple answer - NO. There are many more apps for S60 than UIQ3. Software availability is another major disadvantage of UIQ3 compared to S60.
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Posted: 2007-05-10 04:22:14
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On 2007-05-09 17:40:56, mib1800 wrote:
Using your logic, taking photo in glorious VGA resolution have the same fun as taking photo with 2Mp K800 since viewing the photo in the phone looks as good. I think almost all buyers are not going to buy into your line of argument.
Don't be silly - for starters the difference isn't anywhere near so great, and for seconders the quality of camera pictures is something that people do actually consider. People use cameras, and they're going to be very happy with the results from the P1, but nobody aside from a few geeks around this forum is going to be worried about the framerate of the video.
I think I will believe the reviewer from gsmarena.
You'll take one man's opinion over hundreds? Your mistake..
The first impression I got when I first saw the M600 was: "how can you type using keyboard where 2 letters sharing one key?"
You didn't have the nounce to pick one up and find out for yourself? I wonder why you think your opinion of the M600/P1's keyboard counts for anything, when you've clearly no understanding at all of how it works.
If I really needed a qwerty phone to enter lots of data, why would I want a compromised keyboard of P1?
Because everything about every smartphone is a compromise - if they weren't we'd be carrying laptops in our pockets, or even full desktop PC's. So of course the keyboard on the P1 is a "compromise", so's the keyboard on a Blackberry - do you think you can type on one of those with all your fingers, like a standard keyboard? Of course not! Any qwerty you can get on a phone is a "thumb-board", which you use with your thumbs, and as such the only criteria is how comfortable it is on your two thumbs. Because the M600/P1 keyboard is well sculpted and much narrower than most qwerty phones, it's actually
more comfortable than pretty much any of the others that I've tried, and slimmer in the pocket to boot. So that's two very good reasons why you might want the "compromised" keyboard of the P1 over the "compromised" keyboard of any other phone!
That is the reality isnt it? When the P1 comes out in sep/Oct, N95 would have been on the market for 6 months. Consumers are not idiot. Unless there is compelling reason (like the need of TS or a diehard fan), why would someone pay same/more for a lower spec-ed phone.
Of course many will be prepared to pay the going rate for a TS phone with a decent keyboard, but aside from that SE aren't stupid either, this will be priced competitively. Don't forget that the N95 will inevitably be looking old by that time (some would say it already does) and since it never interested the business market anyway, it won't be in direct competition.
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Posted: 2007-05-10 08:41:18
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On 2007-05-09 01:07:02, Bjerkebanen wrote:
Oh my God when i first id see the title of this thread I actually thought it was the famous singer Torn. You know the aussie girl with short hair and she sings. Now wait the song was named Torn her name was Natalie Imbruglia. Great girl I used to have a crush on her when i was young. I think she used to be in neabours aswell.
I have met her, she is a really nice girl, bit off topic I know but just wanted to share that with you!
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Posted: 2007-05-10 12:35:12
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Well the song Torn is sort of on topic. This topic is about beeing Torn. So is that song. awww Now im having a crush on Natalie Imbruglia again !!! AGAIN!
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Posted: 2007-05-10 12:41:00
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boinng:
but nobody aside from a few geeks around this forum is going to be worried about the framerate of the video.
Geeks only? Then are you telling us only geeks buy handycam? Video is like photo. It captures moment you want to keep. Many would rank video above photo. It just that up to now, no phone video rec has reach quality of a dedicated handycam. But N95 have.
P1 video rec in
QVGA@15fps. N95 is
VGA@30fps. VGA has 4 times the pixel as QVGA. Factoring in framerate at factor of 2, N95 has 8 times more video quality than P1.
QVGA@15fps video piped to a TV is barely passable viewing (you can hardly made out the face of a person and movement is stutter). But a
VGA@30fps video quality would be better than watching your usual normal PAL/NTSC TV quality.
So of course the keyboard on the P1 is a "compromise", so's the keyboard on a Blackberry - do you think you can type on one of those with all your fingers, like a standard keyboard? Of course not!
No. Using those "compromised" keyboard (unlike the P1/M600) you dont have to keep remembering which side of the key or the more frequent wrong press
and since it never interested the business market anyway, it won't be in direct competition.
This I agree with you!!!
P1 will go up against WM/Palm/BB and not N95. On that note, imo, P1 is still mediocre when compared to WM. But that's another story.
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Posted: 2007-05-10 13:41:49
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On 2007-05-10 13:41:49, mib1800 wrote:
Geeks only? Then are you telling us only geeks buy handycam? Video is like photo. It captures moment you want to keep. Many would rank video above photo. It just that up to now, no phone video rec has reach quality of a dedicated handycam. But N95 have.
Mib, what can I say, we differ on the importance of video. For me it will only ever be a bit of fun, occasionally useful but not something I'd choose a mobile for.
No. Using those "compromised" keyboard (unlike the P1/M600) you dont have to keep remembering which side of the key or the more frequent wrong press
No, you don't with the M600/P1 either! You don't understand because you haven't used one, but the fact is it's laid out like a qwerty keyboard, and you use it like a qwerty, so each letter is exactly where you expect it to be - you don't think about which key it's on or what letter it's sharing the key with, that's immaterial.
This I agree with you!!!
P1 will go up against WM/Palm/BB and not N95. On that note, imo, P1 is still mediocre when compared to WM. But that's another story.
Well I'm a lot more optimistic about that - I think WM is pretty weak in a number of areas and I'd choose any Symbian phone over it if only for battery life, quite apart from the fact that there's no comparable WM phone with this pocketability and productiveness anyway.
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[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2007-05-10 13:41 ]
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