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I think this i so stupid to read!
I think Nokia is a good company and they have their buyers and SE is also a very good company and they have their buyers.

So if we think this thought, Nokia has been in the market for more than 20 years now and SE alittle more than 5 years and they have gaind alot since they started.....
I know that SE don´t have there N95 or N93 blablabla BUT people still buy there phones because maybe 1% of all buyers in the world care about all these specs like wifi, 5 mpix camera and so on. Then is the question why should SE make an phone like that, when they can make phones like K800 and reach a market of alot more people.

When SE celebrate 20 year then we can have this disscusion because right now i think it´s so stupid because SE is doing quit well out there right now even without an N95 with all spec!


Cheers
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Posted: 2007-05-21 00:08:20
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i also want to mention about what miles flint says: "All sony ericsson phones are FIRST a VERY GOOD PHONE.". Does this clear enough to tell you guys what they really are making? PHONE! they do not bother with the other hell else of what a phone can do, they are just extension, and those extension are just something to get more pleasure out of the phone. This is one of the reason why they do not want to continue megapixel race.

Actually, i myself realise this when i first own K800: what's the point? having a 3.2 megapixel, that the quality of the picture is just the same with my K750 with a larger size? no point! i think rather than increasing the pixel, i would be really happy if they can improve the picture quality to the extent that it will have good contrasts, good colour production and good details! If only sony ericsson would move toward this direction, then they have given what most ppl want. There is no point of making the "already not-so-good quality" of 3,2 megapixel and enlarge it to 5 megapixel with the exact quality. I personally will feel cheated, and i'd rather not to have it. Isn't this what N95 is doing? i don't see any picture quality improvement from N73, it is just that now you see the picture with a larger size.

On top of that, i found that Sony ericsson phones (well, i am talking about non smartphone here) are stable enough and STRONG! I believe the slider mechanism of W850 is a lot better than N95, isn't this a big problem for nokia? not to mention the fantastic quality of D600. Nokia is not improving this slider mechanism since their 6280 back 2 years ago!

And also, one last point: Although SE do not lead in the technology sector, which i think already advance enough, SE choose to lead the TREND!

1. back in 2005, walkman phones set the trend of the future music phones: Nokia's music phone, motorola's ROKR, samsung's music edition.

2. In 2006, first real xenon flash in K800. Now, nokia release N81/2 with xenon flash?

3. In 2006, bestpic is available for K800, now motorola is using it in their newest camera phone.

4. In 2007, now SE has made T650 and S500, look at their capabillity of animating the whole part of the phones (i mean not just the theme, but also the keypad light and everything--which they already did with K800 and W850, now with even more animation). Have any company try this before? i am not sure myself, but even if there is, they do not make it to this full extent just like SE does, otherwise, how come its so unpopular? I bet this will be the trend for Nokia and others for next year?

Guys, c'mon.. why do we need to discuss this? are you dissapoint with SE? just to mention up to this date, SE only release their low-mid phone. They have not really announce their high end! (well, i bet they swap the order around from last year---high end first then low end)
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Posted: 2007-05-21 04:31:06
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to sesukaku:

i just wanted to add something:

5. Touchscreen has been one of the notable innovations on SE phones, Nokia attempts to make it's own touchscreen phone 7700 and 7710 which were become an overall failure of nokia.

6. T610 design trend becomes massively successful, that's why we can see nokia 3230 and 6300 as copy of the legendary t610

7. To counter walkman brand, nokia introduces the XpressMusic. and their only phone that have got some interest on me was the 5700, albeit it's not as trendy as walkmans as of now imho.
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Posted: 2007-05-21 04:47:15
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I think SE has the technology, just look at japanese SE phones. There was one released in 2006 wich had a dedicated sound chip, then we see this Nokia 5700 in 2007.
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Posted: 2007-05-21 06:46:06
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razec

thanks for mentioning that.. aniwae, After all SE is the fastest growing company in the top 5 chart
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Posted: 2007-05-21 10:57:09
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Say all you like about putting SE down, but just remember Nokia, Samsung, Moto etc, SE is a company of TWO companies, mainly SONY!! Now if im sounding stupid here or is SONY not the biggest electronics brand in the world??? People still forget that, and with that potential ahead, i really can see SE wiping nokia for high end spec phones. I really can see SE bringing out a bigger MP phone than the N95, i like the N95 dont get me wrong, it does have its problems (battery etc) but what i have noticed is that nokia take the leap first than other companies (mainly SE), then SE or others will make a better mobile for all the better reasons. For example, look at the N91, that was the first hard drive phone, um what happened to hard drives in phones after that?? no one followed suit because it doesnt work, they DID all copy SE with swappable memory cards, so really SE have nothing to worry about, let all these companies burn money lol.
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Posted: 2007-05-21 11:14:04
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At sesukaku

Completly agree with you on the megapixel thing. Yes i do think that all manufacturers are just making bigger pixel sizes but losing the quality that has been quite poor compared to proper digital cameras. Still who knows what we will be talking about in 5 years time about our phones lol, has your phone got dolby surround sound?? or is it HD compatible? lol
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Posted: 2007-05-21 11:41:41
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chunkybeats

haha, thanks for agreeing. Just to mention, i dun think N91 was the first hard drive phone.. was it? i remember it was around the same time as W950 and samsung's 4GB something.. dunno i forgot, but aniwae, yes.. This ain't as popular as putting the memory stick in.. ppl like memory stick haha. And btw, Sony ericsson and sony are 2 different companies, they actually do not relate to each other, regardless they borrow some of the parent brand. And i like your idea about the future phones.. yea, probably we will be discussing something like that, not a mere how many MP does your phone has? 100 MP? wooo.. who needs it aniwae? unless you are an advertiser who wants to post your picture for street advertisement?

Some really smart company like SE, moto and samsung has already realise this: hasn't 2 MP camera phone become a trend now? i think every new phones has at least 2 MP, it is just a standard thing that you want to have. THey no longer in the trend of being the first to implement bigger pixels. Not to mention that 5MP cameraphones is just an old story in Korea (they have it like 3 years ago). So, what needs to be proud of for nokia to produce phone like N95 3 years later? Now, they have 10 MP camera phones already+3X optical zoom, so, no need to be really proud to make N95,

and this is the very point that SE want to articulate, 2MP and 3,2 MP is a good standard for a camera to be implement in a phone. To have it more than that does not serve the original purpose of implementing camera in a phone: for having a quick snap with an acceptable quality. So whats the point of racing between company who makes first? Nokia is not the first one to make 5MP camera phone aniwae.. no need for SE to break the record, the record already broke like 3 years ago.. this is why they do not rush themselves to release such a cutting edge MP camera phone. I do need to point out though, SE need to improve the video recording section. Well, QVGA 30fps is a good standard for today, but it won't be good for the next 2 years, so, they really do need to hurry up improve it, otherwise it is just too bad. Samsung and Nokia is already doing good job in this sector.

Apart from that, I don't think SE is lagging behind in technology sector, seeing that they already producing some really good slim phones like W880 and T650. Yea i know ppl, only 256K colors, but hell QVGA res on 1.9 screen? that's crazy man.. All the other companies go for at least 2'0 inch you know.. although still not as crazy as N80's screen (having like 10000 pixels in 1 cm2, this one is probably around 7000 pixels). Comparing to N95, with more colors, but a lot less resolution. (yea, QVGA, 2'6 inch for is actually comparable to K750's screen with better color: having around 3000 pixels in 1 cm2). Last but not least, SE's solution to slim phone is a lot better than moto's (despite being the first to set the trend.. they do not stretch it to the extreme side like samsung did, or SE with W880..). Eh? W880? how come? it is not even the slimmest yea? oh well, W880 possess all W850 has, except some minor function like radio, with the 9,4 mm and no compensation on either width or length. I mean, samsung make the slimmest phone yea? but that is like really long and not so advance technologically.
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Posted: 2007-05-21 12:07:46
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I really don't think you get my point do you??Next time try reading posts a bit more carefully before blasting your mouth off...


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Posted: 2007-05-21 13:22:10
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you SE supporters still havnt answered my question. i want to know what SE W880 has that my W800 doesnt? I want to know how SE improved over the course of also tell me what K800 has and K750 doesnt. I want solid reasons to indicate that they really are a big step forward from their predecessors.
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Posted: 2007-05-21 14:15:17
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