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Come on Esater, asking for JoolsG4's opinion on Apple product's is akin to asking for Brightsparks opinion on MS
, you know what your going to get before either bothers to post.
The truth lies somewhere between the both of you IMO.
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Posted: 2007-08-01 18:58:32
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no jools has got it pretty much bang on I think and he works with macs, programs on them and has lots of knoledge about them more so then most users, but im a apple fan boy
the only thing I can say is that apples hardware does not seem to go wrong as much, things like hard drives fail, but other parts seem to stand the test of time a bit more then pc's Maybe its just my experience or maybe its luck.
Easter has shown some of the views expressed by those who are missimfomred such as the right click thing, the games etc. These views do annoy me as I get allot of stick for using a mac in uni as a few of my friends do somputer courses and every time the debate comes up about mac its always that thay are shit. And this is simply because they are so ignorant about the subject, and use windows machines whilst they grow up
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Posted: 2007-08-01 19:05:36
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I have an iMac since 12/2006 and i'm a siwtcher
It was the best choice for me after years and years with a PC.
It's really good, occupies less space and can do everything as i do before with a PC
But now with no worries, virus or crashes ;D ;D
If you have the option choose a Mac
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Posted: 2007-08-01 19:08:23
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@Esater:
Ok, I apologise if you thought I was being rude. It wasn't my intention.
However, you did wind me up a bit, by posting in a thread which wasn't a Mac vs PC thread to start off with and turning it into one. It was a thread to help someone who had already made the decision to buy a Mac, and to answer any queries they had about switching, software choices, hardware choices.
Us Mac users don't seem to be able to have a conversation about Macs without a PC user butting in and making it into a war!
Your posts sole purpose seemed to be to try to persuade the original poster NOT to buy a Mac, by posting inaccurate information about them.
All I did was respond to each of your 'facts' and correct the inaccurate information.
If you had done a little research before posting, you would've realised that alot of what you think simply isn't true.
Saying that you are ignorant wasn't supposed to be an attack. It's a simple fact. I'm ignorant on a lot of subjects. Ignorant means 'lacking knowledge of a subject' if you look it up in a dictionary.
Also, as there were so many inaccuracies in your post, I don't think it was wrong to say you posted 'rubbish'.
My comment on Macs don't need fixing is based on personal experience of both Macs and PCs both at home, university and work. In the last 17 years I have never had to return a Mac or take it somewhere for technical assistance. Yet every one of the PCs at work needs re-installing from time-to-time and has had to have components replaced. That's just my personal experience, but it also carries on through my Mac and PC owning friends. All the PC owners have regular problems (software and hardware) which usually require a technical person to fix. My Mac owning friends don't have these type of issues, and any problems they do have are fixable by themselves.
I've never told anyone to buy a Mac. Everyone has different needs, and a Mac isn't perfect for everyone. However, I will correct inaccuracies that people post that give less knowledgable people the wrong impression. That's not being biased. Nothing I posted was un-true, so where's the bias....
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Posted: 2007-08-01 19:52:37
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Ok fair enough, I suppose you didn’t mean to be rude.
I don’t think that it was out of line of my post, just as you have stated how you’ve decided Mac was your system of choice, I stated in my opinion why that wasn’t the case for me. It is remarkable that you accuse me of trying to persuade the op from buying a Mac lol and if it anyone that’s done the persuading it’s been you throughout the thread. The basis of this thread had been a Sony Vaio (PC) between a Macbook/Pro (Mac) rather than a Mac advantages discussion thread. Fair enuf I might have been a bit late in making my point before his purchase, but it would still apply to anyone else in the same position.
I wouldn’t say that all my points were unfounded nor is it “rubbish”, maybe I didn’t express it clearly enough for your scrutiny.
Ok, of course there are GAMES on a mac, but you would not be able to play the LATEST games on the machine simply because they would not be released on the mac FIRST, the games that you stated are not exactly the latest that are around…
In terms of compatibility, just take a look at USB modems that you get from ur ISP, chances are they don’t support macs in setting up your connection, what about music player APART from the iPod, such as those by creative – those are a no go on a mac.
Yes I do know that right click does exist in mac os x, I just wanted to make the fact clear that there isn’t a right mouse button – I mean the touchpad is big enough for two buttons, why would ctrl, left click be easier? What about the use of the delete button in finder… real useful…
Ok, warranty comparision was done with a sony warranty upgrade to a apple upgrade
Sony £179 for 2 extra years
Apple £279 for 2 extra years
Fair point that from your experience even with the same components as a pc, they would last longer in a mac system. The FACT remains there are more support for PC users - be it in a forum or a local pc repair shop, so 3rd party support isn’t exactly glowing. I take that when you were on about being able to service a mac by end users themselves – you weren’t talking about opening an imac compared to a normal desktop pc.
And as for the ports on a mac system; I was simply referring to your earlier post when you were referring to how complete the amount of ports there are on a macbook compared to a £399 laptop. What I mentioned was a £1299 macbook being compared to a similarly priced pc notebook – you will mostly find the inclusion on more than 2 usb ports, usually a card reader, fingerprint scanner and HDMI port
Yea, I have known that bootcamp is free, windows itself is not– I just wanted to mention the shortcomings that this method. How inconvenient would it be to simply reboot from mac os when you suddenly decide to use a windows only app…
I also know that parallels exist but it isn’t free nor does it have good graphics support.
This post is going to fall on deaf ears but I had to make this post simply because you assume that you are completely correct in all your points. I mention the disadvantages of a mac to offer a balanced view in this thread– which I found out about whilst making the same choice as the op.
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Posted: 2007-08-01 23:42:29
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I just wanted to make the fact clear that there isn’t a right mouse button
Sorry, but there is!! The 'Mighty Mouse', supplied as standard with all Desktop Macs, does have a right-mouse button, as well as a 360 degree scroll ball and squeezable sides acting as another button.
See here:
http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/
Also, the trackpads on all Mac laptops supports right-click. It's a simple checkbox in the Trackpad preferences to enable or disable it.
See here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304720
Ok, you're right that Mac users often have to wait longer for games than PC users, but to be honest, you wouldn't buy a Mac if gaming was a priority.
About USB Modems... I don't know of a single Mac user who actually uses them. Not because of a lack of compatibility (which isn't such an issue now anyway), but because every Mac has an Ethernet port built-in and using an ADSL router is so much better. No configuration required, no drivers, can plug-in multiple Macs, usually has a firewall built-in, usually faster, doesn't use a USB port. Most ISPs allow you to choose a router instead of a modem anyway now, because everyone knows that they are better in every respect (on PCs too).
To be honest, I don't know much about warranties. I've never extended mine, nor ever needed to make a claim under warranty. I don't know anyone who has either. To me, an extended warranty is a waste of money.
I've just re-read all my posts from this thread, and nowhere have I persuaded the OP to buy a Mac. All I've done is answer the questions that were asked, as truthfully as possible. I recommended Mac alternatives to PC software the OP wanted. I'm not a switcher, so I even said I'd let the real switchers say whether they think switching is worth it or not. I also advised about running Windows on a Mac.
Again, you're right that there is more technical support for PC users, but that's because they need more support. As I said, most problems with Macs can be dealt with by the user. In all the companies I deal with (big multinationals some of them) that use Macs and PCs, they have huge PC IT support departments, but generally just one bloke (or less) to maintain all the Macs. IT people like PCs because they're complicated to fix when they go wrong, they go wrong often, and they keep them in a job!
Over the past few years there's been quite a few Mac switchers on Esato. Some of them were just curious to see what the fuss was about, and never truly imagined leaving Windows for good. Now these same people are some of the most vociferous Mac fans on Esato. You never hear them moaning about lack of software, lack of compatibility, lack of games, no right-click. etc.
Earlier this year my Uncle wanted to buy a new computer. He's been eyeing up my and my 70yr old parents Macs for some time, frequently hearing about how trouble-free they were. However, after talking to him, I advised him to buy a Windows laptop, which he did, because for what he wanted a PC suited him best.
So, although I like the majority of Apple products, I'm not so obsessed with them that I'd recommend them to everyone. Everyone's different, and a Mac isn't for everyone. But if someone has made the decision to go Mac, I'll help them get the most out of it.
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Posted: 2007-08-02 00:28:23
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wow, i m actually quite satisfied with the reply you gave me. To be honest your post did explain to me some things that i had wanted to know and things that i was wrong, which i am quite happy that you did.
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Posted: 2007-08-02 00:53:50
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ooo warrenties
I with you, I think for what the apple warrenty covers its bad vaule, but if your clever like me you stick your new laptop on your house insurance and get it covered for everything such as fire, damage,loss theft etc, think it only costs 60 quid or sumin.
also I thought the guy wanted a mac, so why is this argument to which is better? He seemed to like the idea of it.
O one more thing, how many windows users use their pc/laptops for games, probally only a minority of younger users tat dont have a xbox or playstaion, I dbout the majority spent 4 hours a day playing the sims or world of war craft like everyone who argues this point presumes.
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Posted: 2007-08-02 00:56:49
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Right well my original post was a bit confusing i can understand that. My original question was should i get a Vaio or a Macbook, but then i also wanted to know if i did switch to a Mac what it would be like. Now for me the most important thing is getting as much information on a Mac as possible so i can make the right choice, i already know all i need to know about PC's and everyone in this thread has given me that little bit extra info which i appreciate very much. So now i think it just up to me to make the decision or ask more questions if needed.
P.s please lets not have a Pc versus Mac thread lol
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Posted: 2007-08-02 01:12:18
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Yeah, it depends on what you're looking for.
Re. the x86 optimisation. It's no good on OSx, because of the memory management it uses. You know, a proper one.
Um.. What's the battery life on your average lapMac, btw?
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Posted: 2007-08-02 03:23:27
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