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On 2007-08-21 21:08:20, myth® wrote:
On 2007-08-21 21:00:56, Aware wrote:
Please consider:
P990(and it's successor) offer CHOICE.
You mean P990 and its 'predecessors', I guess, as P1i does not offer this choice.
Yes, and that's what distinguishes a real 'p-series' phone fm P1i.
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[ This Message was edited by: myth® on 2007-08-21 20:09 ]
No Aware means the P990's predecessors
and it's sucessor!
The P1i may well replace the P990i as the latest P series but it in no way succeeds it! chiefly it doesn't have a flip!!
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Posted: 2007-08-21 21:50:16
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On 2007-08-21 15:50:23, Boinng wrote:
... I find it absolutely impossible to believe that anyone who'd used the M600 or P1 could seriously state that the P990-style flip was an "absolute necessity". Those can only be the words of a P990 owner!
Well, yes I am a P990 owner and I did use it without a flip for some time just to see how I would get along with it. My opinion did not change, I definitely want a flip, that gives me the best combination of PDA & phone. Probably has something to do with usage habits too as I tend to use 50% with flip. That is why the true P990 successor needs to be with a flip. The P1 is just not for me.
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Posted: 2007-08-21 23:57:51
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On 2007-08-21 17:29:35, DagMX wrote:
Actually the lack of a flip was also one reason I really liked the p1i. Otherwise I'd have gotten an E90, but everytime Id want to type a large sms/email etc... I'd have had to open up which is just not suitable for quick use.
That's not the case at all. Actually it is easier to write a long SMS (or email) with the flip on.
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Posted: 2007-08-22 00:01:50
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Come on guys. A Blackberry isn't a Blackberry without a QWERTY keypad. A P990 successor isn't a P series without the flip. The flip allows the option to use as a conventional phone and to switch to PDA. Not only that the flip should be maintained to distinguish between the P's and M's and so on.
I personally think that SE put out the P990i after it had been delayed for sometime and the CEO was just getting
Pi@3sed at the engineers for the slowness in getting it out. They now realise what they did.
Furthermore they need to put back the five way jog dial and remove that silly depressed back button. Too often I have to look at the side of the phone as someone else said to find exactly where it was.
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Posted: 2007-08-22 04:59:14
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If someone can produce a concept of a P phone that has a flip yet it's not bulky and not-sleek looking, then I will be convince that SE should include a flip on the next P phone. But right now, I don't think so.
To me, the P itself stood for Professional and Personal, as in Persional Device Assistant (PDA). Each phone wasn't designed for just any normal use...
I'm fine with the P1i. I think it's one of the best looking professional phones out there.
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Posted: 2007-08-22 05:19:53
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IMO, the real P series are with flip because people that used them likes it with phone mode always and if you want to switch to a pda mode you just remove the flip and you have a P1 structure. All i can say is that P series are working with people that have different taste. You can switch to any mode(phone or pda) without changing the phone itself.
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Posted: 2007-08-22 06:12:52
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"P" in P-series stands for PDA - a device having an Operating system that performs task similar to a personal computer albeit less capable in terms of processing datas. so imho there is no point arguing that P1 is not a genuine P-series just because it doesn't have a Flip keypad
anyway most people who have those old UIQ 2 P-series before didn't use the keypad as often as they use the touchscreen, another is that the hard keys on UIQ 2 phones are built in the Flip not inthe phone
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Posted: 2007-08-22 06:35:27
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On 2007-08-21 23:57:51, makbil wrote:
Well, yes I am a P990 owner and I did use it without a flip for some time just to see how I would get along with it. My opinion did not change
I think you're just demonstrating a typical misconception on the part of P990 owners. By taking off your flip and trying to use your P990 "flipless", all you've experienced is the severely
crippled UIQ3 user experience present in the P990. It is in no way representative of the much improved fullscreen interface you'd find on the M600 or P1, and any comparison you might wish to draw there is frankly meaningless.
If I had a P990 I'd keep the flip on at all times too, because I'd need it - but as an M600 owner, I've never missed it once. Not once. And that's coming from someone who loved his P800 and P910 in the past, and had used them both with the flip on for the last three years.
I definitely want a flip, that gives me the best combination of PDA & phone. Probably has something to do with usage habits too as I tend to use 50% with flip. That is why the true P990 successor needs to be with a flip. The P1 is just not for me.
With respect, I believe that you and the other P990 posters here want a flip because you've been conditioned to want a flip - because the P990 is so dependant on a stylus in flip open mode, and so hard to use one handed, in your mind fullscreen UIQ3 = PDA, and for it to be a phone as well it must have to "switch" into something else in some way. In reality fullscreen UIQ3 can be perfectly easy to use one handed, and is perfectly suited to being both a PDA and a phone
simultaneously, but after adapting yourself to the P990 it's obviously difficult (or even impossible) for you to really understand that.
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Posted: 2007-08-22 10:15:40
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@Boinng, what you fail to understand is that I find the use of a flip more convenient regardless of the phone itself. Symbian+UIQ is the only combination that currently provides this keeping the phone/PDA balance just the way I like it. I will admit that there is some degree of influence and usage habits coming from the older P series but it is not just blind addiction. It is a well proven and highly ergonomic design. At the end of the day it comes down to personal preferences, I like and want the flip design and you can't convince me otherwise. You seem to like the M600/P1 style design which is fine. Others may like a slider design. That is why there are different models to cater to each taste.
One more misconception is the keyboard on the P990. I have used both P900 and P910 and after using it becomes obvious that the keyboards are totally different it terms of use. The P990 is closest to the perfect keyboard in a phone/PDA. I find other implementations where it slides out from the phone and you have to change the orientation highly cumbersome.
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Posted: 2007-08-22 11:41:06
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@ Boinng
With respect, I believe that you and the other P990 posters here want a flip because you've been conditioned to want a flip
I think you are totally missing the idea as to why we like the flip! I chose the P990 because it has the Flip not because it needs it or because the firmware is crippled nor that I have been conditioned!, but because I
want it.
I have many other phones and I use three devices daily my BB 8700 (qwerty with no flip), my W950 no flip and my P990, and I really enjoy the ease of use of the P990 because of the flip.
and in that statement I am in no way slagging off the set up of the M600/P1 nor am I saying it is difficult to use, its just that I would
rather have a flip as that is my personal choice it is in no way forced upon me by
I agreed with you, that the today screen in FO could be vastly improved upon by simply implementing the same as used in the P1/M600 but it doesn't mean it is crippled! it still works fine.
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Posted: 2007-08-22 15:19:35
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