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@Hlcn Twst

I think ur deluded,For ex if u take E51 and all latest nseries devices userinterface is really fast

And u may see it urselves from the review of E51
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_e51-review-193.php

And E series is also very capable buisness device

heres a Conclusive comment on E51 From Gsmarena
Each of Nokia's Enterprise devices has its strengths, but usually at the expense of a few compromises. The stylish Nokia E51 proves to be a well-balanced performer that will certainly meet the contemporary business requirements. Fine looks are just an added gain.

Nokia E51 might be the right bestseller stuff not only for business, but for regular users too, for its all-purpose applicability. The 350 USD price tag sure adds to that excitement. With E51 there's one more pro on offer.


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Posted: 2007-12-07 07:37:46
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@Max Wedge

Sorry Max but you actually said

"@dogmann, you claim an SE takes longer than 35 seconds to boot, but actually my K800 takes exactly 30 seconds including the flight mode prompt. If you disable the flight mode prompt at boot, it's something like 20 seconds."

Which i very obviously from looking at my post have never said any such thing did i? and if i did please show me where or retract this statement as it is quite clearly inaccurate. You are well aware how i feel about people claiming i have said or implied things i clearly haven't.

You then go to say

"The K800 takes 25 seconds to boot without flight mode prompt. If you were after a new SE and didn't want a smartphone, but boot time was important, then the comparison is fair."


Now with this statement i really am shocked as i had no idea that my allegedly slow S60 smart phone booted faster than a K800 and as the K850 is slower that to. So just how are S60 smart phones so slow then if my current smart phone boots faster then these two dumb Java based phones and even my older smart phones with only an extra 5 seconds for a smart phone couldn't really be considered slow either. Also it is not me that keeps saying how slow S60 is it is others and it appears they are all wrong now to.

As for what you say here with

"Also you rarely need to restart a non-smartphone to flush memory, the way you often need to do with s60. Actually I'm even finding my WM5 handset doesn't need restarting that often."

Really are sure? that may of well been the case in the past but is no longer true at all as i have 90mb Ram free on Boot up and even with 14 programs running in the background still have 78mb Ram free after even 10 days plus.
I admit it used to be necessary but now due to sufficient installed Ram and the addition of Demand Paging is no longer necessary.

Which means my S60 smart phone now starts faster than your java based dumb phone and can stay up and running as long as it to.

As according to the SE website and what some have said you are advised to restart your K850 to free up memory so that's not quite true either is it. As it says quite clearly here with.

If you haven't restarted your phone for a while, you may experience problems with its memory capacity and speed. The phone is an advanced communications device, rather like a personal computer, and requires some maintenance. Restarting the phone will free memory blocks, which will improve the phone's capacity.

Which can be found at this link to the SE website just for verification i am not making things up.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]oubleshooter/k850i?cc=gb&lc=en



If you remember when you were explaining how good new Java phones were going to be and overtake smart phones i did explain that smart phones were not going to stand still but would also evolve and it seems they have evolved faster with bigger and more significant gains. Also the only reason i now say how fast a smart phone is not because of how important it is to me but because you and others are always going on about how slow they are. Which no longer seems to hold true does it?

Marc


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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-07 08:08 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-07 08:54:15
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Newer S60 Nokia's are of course faster than the old ones. But S60 is still sluggish for performing basic telephony functions, like opening Contacts or starting a new SMS. Because S60 treats these as "applications" that must be "loaded." Compare that to a "dumbphone," where these basics are integrated into the interface and thus have ~0 startup time.

This is what aggravated me about smartphones in general, and S60 in particular. They can do 1 million and 1 things, except work laglessly as mobile phones.

And my needs are, I suppose, modest. (And in one case, totally unmet by S60!) But part of that modesty is the hard realization that there really is only so much you can actually do on a numeric keypad and a
As for Nokia's new haptic touchscreen, if it's still running S60V3, Apple has absolutely nothing to worry about. S60 looks, feels, and runs a lot like Windows 3.1 from 1992. I would be on an iPhone forum right now, were it not for the iPhone's neglect of some very basic features (e.g. uncrippled , MMS, voice dialing...).

So until the iPhone matures to where I'd like it, it's feature phones for me. And that means all the way.

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Posted: 2007-12-07 17:11:01
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I sort of had the same experience with the P990i smartphone. It couldn't come close to the A100 for basic calling, texting, changing settings etc and I think this ease of use was sacrificed.

So I found out I had a phone with great capability that lagged doing the simplest of things. A200 is a breeze to use. I've borrowed by brother's N95/1 and found it cumbersome to use - the UI just didn't flow.
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Posted: 2007-12-07 17:20:46
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JUST,WELCOME BACK ON S.E. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 2007-12-07 17:23:13
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@dogmann I admit I misinterpreted your statement, I did think you were talking about SE's generally. But I still think the point stands which is that we are talking about phones generally in this topic not just smartphones.

Anyway sorry for any misunderstanding.

I can't quite agree with you about WAP. The fact is WAP was dead a long time ago. SE non-smartphones have had xhtml support for a long time, and K800 and later have full html support. I admit the latest Nokia browsers do better than SE non-symbian's on things like java script, but they still aren't equivalent to a full PC or MAC web browser.

And by no means can you compare the K800 html support to "WAP".

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Posted: 2007-12-07 18:03:41
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You are right about integrated phone functions (sms, answering machines etc) - j2me has little support for such functions as yet. However there is a pdf reader for J2ME, and also an ebook reader that can read a 300MB file is theoretically possible, though I know of no actual software available. I have used 10-20MB dictionaries in J2ME no worries, as well as 10-20MB ebooks through readmaniac.

I'm not saying that J2ME is as good an application platform as s60, I'm just saying that you tend to under estimate it's usefullness. There are a whole range of people who like to install useful apps on a phone who are quite happy with the inbuilt phone functions and are not needing third party apps to enhance that functionality. I myself have used WM2002, WM2003, WM5 and S60 2nd edition smartphones and have never actually installed an app that adds to the inbuilt phone functionality.

The fact is some people could have quite high demands of J2ME and not be let down, quite different to the picture you paint of J2ME as being only for those of "Modest Need".

I use J2ME to enhance my K800 extensively: pdf reader, office doc reader, ebook readers, mp3 player and video player (I no longer use the built in - the java versions are better), file encryption, File manager (mini-commander), ftp client, dictionary, map reader, google maps, gmail client (with office doc viewer via online), opera mini web browser, converter apps, DOS emulator (useful for running batch files), rar and zip tools, windows messenger, track id. To name a few..



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Posted: 2007-12-07 18:21:53
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@goldenface



I have the opposite feeling. To me, SE UI feels more laggy than my N95. When I scroll items, the movement of the cursor is like stuttered (i.e. you can virtually see the cursor move from current item to next). On my N95 it is immediate. Same with popup dialog. It is just so irritating with the transition as you virtually need to wait for dialog to finish transitioning.

Another issue I can't get used to is the oversized tab in dialog. The tab is so BIG it just block out screen real estate leaving small area for crucial info.

And the activity menu is more like an after thought. All things are lumped here that it becomes cumbersome (i.e. needing extra keypress to go to relevant tab) to get to what you want .
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Posted: 2007-12-07 18:27:38
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@max_wedge:



Can you point to where I can find java pdf reader/ebook viewer (something like mobireader)? Can't find any that works properly in the usual suspect getjar. My friend wanted something in her samsung.

For me, I just cant stand java. It is so slow and looks horrible. Anyway some of the most important app that I need cannot be found in java. I need apps that automate my phone so that I dont have to do mundane stuff (like switching profile or filtering calls)




[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2007-12-07 17:47 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-07 18:46:46
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@mib1800

From standby I can reach the settings menu in two clicks - [menu] [#]. Now thats quick.

[menu] [0] = Organiser. Or any of my favourites from the shortcut button. This is what I love about the SE UI. After this is very difficult to get used to anything else, making it very easy to use.

Bluetooth a file to friends samsung D*** for instance and watch them go searching for the downloaded file through many clicks.
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Posted: 2007-12-07 18:49:10
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