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@aqualung,
Right. Now UI it's stylus oriented (fine for me).
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Posted: 2008-01-05 11:16:52
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..er. I think "generally convenient solution for some users" could be the definition of "habit".

I mean - automatically disabling the touch- screen, and generally having operation like on a jp- phone, as well as having a hard key- lock, and so on - it's no doubt useful in some cases. And it wouldn't have hurt to have a bigger scroll- wheel on the p1. And at least the lock and maybe the jog- wheel (with a back- button when tilting it?) could've made the p1 feel a bit more expensive.

But I'd much rather just have a more mappable key- system for play/pause, back/forward and other common in- program functions, and so on. For example on either keyboard, or stylus- gestures. Say, like a global key- lock when typing a cross outside a text- box? Or being able to bind a key to a function in a specific program, and so on.

Simply because the number of times I really need to use the phone with one hand, while doing something else, and bumping into things so the touch- screen is pushed when it shouldn't, and I really feel like going through the thousand click torture on the lists - those aren't really all that many..

And, I mean, when you can scrolll down the contact list by clicking down and holding towards the end of the screen - what's the point with a jog- dial or a d-pad anyway? I mean - are there really any practical things that are easier with the flip on? Any actual examples?
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Posted: 2008-01-05 13:08:25
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Examples...ok, how easy is it on P1 etc to access system Status then??

P990FC = (Lock switch)MORE, STATUS

Same goes(personally) for CONNECTIONS(I use BT as much, if not more than WLAN), and ACCEPT CALLS...when I tested P1, back in august, it required me, TOO often, to have to use the stylus, which makes a supposed simple task like these mentioned, into a time consuming one(unlock phone, get stylus, do task, replace stylus, etc..)......

If you wonder why I keep quoting Lock switch, my phone is locked 99% of the time(well, wouldn't yours be if you had a sprung lock switch(and I've loved them since my S700)??)...which is where the advantageous active cam lens cover comes in...but that's going OT......


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Posted: 2008-01-05 14:18:37
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@Nipsen
Well, no, habit is not the same thing as a designers principle, so "convenient solution" is that, for instance computer keyboard.
And in Flip mode, Dpad for menu navigation is the best, of course touch screen is perfect but it's two hand operation.
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Posted: 2008-01-05 15:50:53
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Yeah, getting to the connections is a pain on the p1. Gdesk can help, but there are at least a couple of small checkboxes you need to get through(same with the arrow in the corner).

So a function for just switching bluetooth/wlan on and off (one click somewhere) would be nice, either way.

A hard lock.. never had that on any phone, so can't really say how useful it would be. And kind of think the automatic lock works fine. Maybe a spring- button could work for a combination of some sort?

But I think the real problem might be lack of easily reachable functions (the common functions between all programs). And the same for the functions inside program control (imagine a shortcut api all programs could implement, for example..).
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Posted: 2008-01-05 15:54:34
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How about having a button to select the softkeys on a given screen sequentialy, like using the 'tab' key on a pc...or having the jog dial scroll through every thing on the screen, then just push to activate.

This would help me with the P1, as at the moment, I can't use the softkeys at the bottom of the screen with the phone in its case (krussell). I can only use them by unclipping the front of the case, which takes more time/two hands.

Of course, having the 5-way jog reinstated would also fix this...

[ This Message was edited by: AD on 2008-01-05 15:11 ]
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Posted: 2008-01-05 16:03:23
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Ah Nipsen, ever the sceptic....

Look, i don't know if you've ever owned or handled a P990, I suspect not

The Dpad in itself covers the functions of two spatially diverse buttons on the P1 - left/right (arrow buttons on either side of the spacebar key) and up/down (jogdial).

Having the 'back' key on the left side of the rocker key on the P990 is also easier than reaching either up to the top left of the screen, or round to the side of the P1 to reach the hard key serving this function.


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Posted: 2008-01-05 16:10:09
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Interestingly I wrote my reply in this thread http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=162277 before I read this one and not having owned a P990, some come ground with other replies here.
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Posted: 2008-01-05 16:44:38
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It seems you have the opposite problem to me, as I'm left handed and so hve no problem at all with the jog/back key, but hve to jiggle the phone in my hand to use softkeys.

Maybe this makes a good old d-pad the best compromise, as it's in the centre of the phone, so reachable when holding it in either hand! I suppose though it doesn't have to be physical hardware - multitouch/gesture controlled screens anyone?

[ This Message was edited by: AD on 2008-01-05 15:59 ]
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Posted: 2008-01-05 16:57:36
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mm, the non- touch controls on the p1 aren't very useful. But you don't have to use the arrows to get through the menus (jog + push and back button), so as a concept that kind of works together with the touch- screen. But as a replacement for one- handed use with a d-pad, it won't work well.. But I'm not sure that's really a problem(unless you don't want to use the touch- screen).

I'm just saying that more convenient flipping through menu- items with hardware buttons sort of strikes me as a step back again.
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Posted: 2008-01-05 17:10:34
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