News Forum Phone database

> New Topic
> Reply
< Esato Forum Index > Sony Ericsson / Sony > Symbian phones > UIQ vs S60 |Which Symbian is better| come and vote Bookmark topic

Nipsen,

Not necessarily the devices. The software. That's what this thread is about.
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 16:20:12
Edit : Quote


@Mizzle

When an OS how ever good it is limited by the hardware it runs on, of course it's relevant how can it not be?

You can have the best OS in the world but if it doesn't run on the the best or most powerful hardware it is limited in it's functionality and performance obviously. Which in turn means it is slower and less responsive then it could be even you and Ares say that UIQ would fly on some new hardware.

So this means that new and improved hardware would make the OS better and give a better user experience just such a shame that SE can't seem to do this for UIQ and leave it crippled by very outdated hardware. Hell this Hardware was outdated when the P990 launched two years ago now it's virtually obsolete and an antique.

The fact that even the latest P5/P200 still runs only slightly faster than a P1 or the G series and is still without HSDPA shows just how outdated the hardware is and a 5meg camera and GPS don't make it any better as an OS either.

Marc



_________________
Nokia E90,8GB SDHC, Fring, Seven, Tom Tom 6
Coming soon BlackBerry Bold
Honoured to have won BEST DEBATER

[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-21 15:22 ]
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 16:21:40
Edit : Quote



..I was talking about regurgitating the mobile industry's pipe- dream about taking over broadband across the world. It's not physically doable yet, certainly not with the existing generation of hsdpa boards, or the existing network tech (and it's not about software upgrades, it's about physical possibility). But yes, a lot of people say exactly what you're saying, and they're all wrong. You should also know that the wireless broadband stuff is tied together with a type of data- transport that cannot be used freely, and is linked to the ever- persistent "content portal" bullshit - and until that actually turns out to pay off in practice, then it'll never be done on a large scale.


@mizzle: *nods* good point. I sort of wonder when we'll see more variety on the formats, and so on. Would do a world of good for UIQ, at least, to show off the versatility a bit - and develop maybe types of shells and so on that would fit on more types of resolutions and formats..
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 16:36:34
Edit : Quote




Yes, but that doesn't cut the fact that it's the best OS in the world, does it?

In all fairness, please do compare a G900 running Symbian 9.1 with UIQ 3.0 with the N73 running Symbian 9.1 with S60 3rd. They're making use of just about the same hardware, so it should be quite easy to compare the software, shouldn't it?

_________________
Unofficial Sony Ericsson Blog
Best dedicated blog ever!

[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2008-05-21 15:41 ]
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 16:39:51
Edit : Quote


@Nisen

You believe what you like but while we are all wrong we will continue to use fast Data that's getting faster and you can stick to CSD or 3g if you want to.

But even in a poor area i have got 1964kbps which isn't that much less then my supposed to be 8 meg broadband that delivers 2.7meg and as 7.2 mbps comes on line with new devices i like most people will enjoy faster than our Home broadband speeds. Oh yes and i don't go anywhere near my Networks portal to access it either so yet again i really don't have a clue just what you are talking about. Actually most of the time i doubt you do either from most of your posts.

Marc

_________________
Nokia E90,8GB SDHC, Fring, Seven, Tom Tom 6
Coming soon BlackBerry Bold
Honoured to have won BEST DEBATER

[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-21 15:44 ]
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 16:43:54
Edit : Quote


@Mizzle

WOW what an achievement a brand new to be released device is a fast as a two year old one SE must be so proud they are nearly as good as a two year old device what progress shame still no HSDPA though. LMAO.

Oh well maybe in the next decade they will start offering 2008 ad spec's we can but hope.


Marc

_________________
Nokia E90,8GB SDHC, Fring, Seven, Tom Tom 6
Coming soon BlackBerry Bold
Honoured to have won BEST DEBATER

[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-21 15:59 ]
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 16:47:53
Edit : Quote


Dogmann,

That's completely irrelevant, and you're talking besides the point right now.

Compare the software, as the hardware is as alike as it gets, when considering we're talking different manufacturers and GUI's. Come on, start comparing!

I'm quite sure we'll reach the same conclusion, meaning S60 3rd comes nowhere near UIQ 3 in terms of performance on the same hardware.

ah, I think I've finally made my point as loud and clear as it gets.
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 16:52:24
Edit : Quote


@Mizzle

But that hardware is outdated now it is 2 years old which in Mobiles is a lifetime things have moved on yet you are excited about a brand new SE G series that is a match or better than a two year old device.

This along with the info that SE aren't really pushing UIQ and see it only as a mass market solution and mass market solutions means yet again it is stifled and will not be able to reach it's full potential.

I really don't see how you have missed the fact that most of us preferred UIQ but it just isn't delivering a high end solution that any of us can choose. That is the problem with it nothing more and nothing less. Especially as it appears many of the UIQ proto's have been shelved so many of the powerful devices you believed we would see just won't arrive. Now that is disappointing and means that those like me who want all the best tech and power have to go elsewhere as SE/UIQ just doesn't offer those type of devices any longer.

Marc

_________________
Nokia E90,8GB SDHC, Fring, Seven, Tom Tom 6
Coming soon BlackBerry Bold
Honoured to have won BEST DEBATER

[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-21 16:48 ]
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 17:09:16
Edit : Quote


So what if it's outdated? Isn't that what you're saying about the Nexperia chipset anyway?

Let it go dude.
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 17:18:13
Edit : Quote



Aside from that 250kb/s is much, much less than any adsl line is capable of, and is about "1Mbit" on a variable line - Yes - it's absolutely the case in many areas that this is more than you get on "broadband". But what we're talking about is to make wireless broadband a serious competition to land- lines. And the amount of data we're talking about here won't be possible to get through the existing technology. So at best we're talking about some ten years into the future, if we're getting exactly where we want to. Otherwise we'd have to invent some sort of time- slicing tech that would make time move slower on the outside.

The problem is this - for this push into this tech to happen, it must have to theoretically pay off in one of two ways - 1. subscriptions. It must be possible to sell portable modems that use tele- operators as proxies to the point where portable internet simply will outmatch land- lines. I admit it's an enticing idea - not in the least for people who have been dealing with wireless networking for a couple of years on the 2.4Ghz band, and are looking at the 5Ghz band, for example. But the fact remains - we're nowhere near where we want to be on the current switches - which makes option one impossible for the mobile giants, unless they trash all existing hardware and start over.

2. portal services, such as downloads of music, and programs, and subscription services for msn, or other types of applications. This is difficult to accomplish, but it can be done. Example, you'd update your playlist while you're waiting on the subway. Or perhaps you'd use a low speed and power- efficient connection that keeps you online all the time. And we'd finally manage to get, for example, voip solutions open to not just smartphones, but any other wireless data- device. This requires reconfiguring the networks and serious bottom up redrawing of various standards. But it can certainly be done, and would pave the way for higher speeds and higher density on the existing frequencies. The problem is whether or not it is really competitive. Whether people are actually willing to buy advanced but underpowered devices that last half a day to replace their trusty nokia or se phone, just so they can use voip. Or if anyone is remotely interested in developing that kind of tech. One alternative I've heard is improving network- specific services with dropping voice- mail, or sending voice- messages, for example. And incorporating packet- based transfers more consciously in the existing tech.

Still - we're back to the problem that at the present, having hsdpa devices is something reserved for some few, in price and so on - which again undermine the entire idea with expanding portal- services on the existing networks. Which in turn clash with the physical capabilities of the networks - if it was not reserved for the few privileged. Thereby making option 2 just as bad when it comes to the "compete with land- lines" idea.

So we return back to the fact that packet- switched traffic on comparatively lower speeds are more than enough for things like msn, email, some data- traffic and so on. So realistically at the moment, anything without hsdpa won't exactly make you miss out on much. That might change if all mobile browsers turn up with flash, and there will be more implementations of dedicated mobile pages with streaming content embedded, and so on and so forth. Or for example plugins turn up for mobile browsers like Opera. But - would people be willing to pay subscription- fees to surf you-tube, and see embedded video- content when that is enabled? I know I would consider a modest fee to have an acceptably fast line to use once in a while when I'm on the go. And I can imagine being very keen on this if I could use my laptop for more than a couple of hours without charging the battery. But can it really replace the land- lines, or become a good supplementing extra you'd really need?

I mean - how many times have the mobile- giants predicted the death of wifi so far (the modern phone- booth)? And I really do sympatize with the idea. But it's still the case that we have a really long way to go before even looking at getting past the physical barriers with the existing infrastructure on what we call mobile networks is really possible.

The same goes for the practical limits on the existing mobile chips because of 1. power- requirement, and 2. internal data- transport and compression..


So - ->on topic comment coming-> in practice, I really dispute the idea that UIQ suffers so horribly from lack of hsdpa.
--
Posted: 2008-05-21 18:14:39
Edit : Quote

---

New Topic   Reply

Forum Index