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I don't think that Windows Mobile is the best OS for high-end phones or there is just no way the phone to be high-end. I say that Sony Ericsson is using old symbian platform which takes down the phones. This means that if SE goes to 9.5, the phones will be rated higher.
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Posted: 2008-09-25 19:19:06
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Well, saying "best" is subjective. I'm just saying WM is the most powerful (not best). If any other OS wanted to match WM feature for feature, they would have some catching up to do.
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Posted: 2008-09-25 19:45:23
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Have you ever asked yourself why the WM based phones and PDAs have so fast CPU's? Lets take P1 and X1:
P1 has 208 MHz
X1 has 528 MHz
Why? This is not accidentally. This shows us how clumsy and slow is Microsoft's OS for mobiles. Symbian is one OS which is made like the normal people ( that's a expression ) and it don't needs fast CPU. That's the main plus. Second - WM can support only 65k colours of the screen. This is something notable. Symbian : WM - 1:0

Let's take I-phone. There is nothing new and revolutionary. But the existing is made with beauty and it works. One think which Microsoft can't reach to.

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Posted: 2008-09-25 20:13:17
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@jayce,

You really can't judge a devices true price from what Expansys charge, as they are always the most expensive for first released items and more expensive then other resellers.

@WhyBe

Sorry but i really don't know where you get this idea that WM is the most powerful OS from as that is blatantly not true. You can't judge Symbian on just UIQ that fell seriously behind the rest of the Symbian eco system either. Symbian still is the leading smart phone OS by quite some margin and is the OS the others have to compete with not the other way round.

Oh and by the way I'm not even using Symbian currently but that doesn't mean i can't see it's plus points. Currently I'm using the Blackberry OS that is also surprisingly simple, fast and powerful to use. IMO with the latest Blackberry release of OS 4.6 and the Bold and the all Touchscreen Storm coming soon Blackberry now have a much better offering for Europe and not just business users and am shure they will grow their market share. Sorry but WM is just not the leading OS you seem to feel it is, it's good but not the best for all.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-09-25 19:34 ]
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Posted: 2008-09-25 20:33:52
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Totaly agree with Dogmann. But as I see Sony Ericsson doesn't have a look for the future. Maybe they will continue to develop their UIQ 3.0 and the P series will die. I can't see good future for the G series.
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Posted: 2008-09-25 20:44:06
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Well I hardly see how Symbian matches the feature set of WM

P1 vs X1 ? There is a reason the P-series is dropped and the high-end of SE moved to WM. It probably was too much R&D to upgrade Symbian/UIQ to the level of WM (what I've already said a few posts above). I am not trying to say one OS is "better" than the other, just that the feature set of WM is the most extensive. Thus it's bigger size and hardware demands.

...And WM supports 24 bit color, it's not limited to 16bit. It's up to manufacturers to implement it. (Read here)
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Posted: 2008-09-25 22:13:54
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I can. The G705 is a breath of fresh air IMO and the G502 has arrived here in NZ at a release price of $299 which is simply a stunning price, and I can't understand why they didn't put Wifi in it considering the internet focus it has and bump the price up a little. Contrast that with the V640i release price of $399 and $499 for the V630i (K618) and K610.

I hope this move towards higher spec phones will mean more mid-range phones with Wifi because the N-series is overdue for some decent competition IMO. Every G-series phone should include Wifi as standard.

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Posted: 2008-09-25 22:37:36
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@WhyBe

But SE and UIQ was not and never has been the most developed or best selling part of Symbian, so you can't judge Symbian just by UIQ or the P1.

S60 has as many apps as virtually any one could want or need and the number of apps available alone is not the way to judge any OS. The quality and usefulness of the apps is more important.

No one is claiming anything other than you stating WM is the best and most powerful which simply is just not true. It may be popular and the best for many but it isn't for all. But then no OS is which is why so many are able to co exist in the same market place. But currently Symbian is the market leader and Rim's market share is also large and growing at a good rate especially with it's latest offerings.

Personally i don't think we will ever see one OS totally dominant as we all want and like different things from our devices and OS's and choice and competition is good for all of us.

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-09-25 21:57 ]
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Posted: 2008-09-25 22:55:17
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I will not put my hopes up. is having budget problems and decided to cut R&D (remember?). What :Se is realizing now is that they need to focus on the high-end market because it yields more profit. How are they going to do that? Probably through marketing. Prepare yourself for loads and loads of banners, commercials and whatever about X1. They are having problems affording the development of their current portfolio let alone ´secret´ advanced high-end devices. A high-end phone needs about 2-3 years of development (so i´ve read) and a new phone in the near time superior to X1 seems unlikely (why would hide ir for so long while their image of ´advanced tech company´ is getting tainted? Besides that it would only overshadow X1 which is already being overshadowed by other companies´ phones).
Now, the OS thing. choice for WM is purely market driven imo, its got nothing to do with the ´quality´ of the OS. wants more market share in the states and at the same time gain more corporate share. WM seems the right choice. Besides that it must be cheaper to just use a third-party OS.
WM is not the ´best´ OS out there simply because there is no such thing. It may have many ´features´ or apps but that´s because microsoft has always been great in making partners and stimulating third part developers (whoever they are), but that always came with the expense of an unstable and crashy system, and in WM´s case, also slow. Not to mention the ´interface´ or organization of WM which is just, let´s say, ´challenging' to the user.


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Posted: 2008-09-26 00:49:28
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I've said several times already that "I'm not stating WM is the best". I'll state once again that "WM is the most feature packed mobile OS." It is also a high-end mobile OS. Market share is irrelevant because low-end phones, as a whole, are the biggest selling devices.
It is a matter of opinion when one debates what is "Best". It is a matter of fact when one states what is most feature packed.
Also, the most feature packed OS isn't necessarily going to dominate the market. The phone OS that meets most people's needs at the most reasonable cost will take the top sales spot (that's Symbian).
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Posted: 2008-09-26 00:57:08
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