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On 2009-11-25 22:04:12, glorfingal wrote:
have to agree with several before me .... bad batch. My silver one, bought direct
from se (which actually came from CPW !!!) has been faultless from day one ... it's
09W42 for reference ....
How do you get the year and week of production ?
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Posted: 2009-11-26 12:43:31
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On the sticker behind the battery (i.e. on the phone).
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Posted: 2009-11-26 12:55:38
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On 2009-11-25 17:13:19, Boinng wrote:
I think the Satio is just a deserving victim of higer expectations from modern smartphones. Some of the "hardcore" users here are well versed in all the usual niggles and snags that have come with every new smartphone (particularly Symbian or Windows Mobile smartphones) for years, and aren't too fazed by the Satio's bugs, or even overlook them. But the thing is, smartphones aren't just the preserve of those people anymore, they've gone mainstream. Satio is competing with phones running much newer, slicker OSs and coming off badly in the comparison. People used to dumb phone reliability or the likes of an iPhone or Android device just aren't going to put up with all those old Symbian quirks, so for them it's just a case of putting it back in the box and chucking it back at the shop.
The good old days of geeks like us having "patience" with buggy new smartphones and perservering to "get the best" out of a flawed new device are over - the bar has been set too high already.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-11-25 16:16 ]
+1 Million
However as Boinng absolutely nails - The Game has Changed and it seems SE and Nokia still cannot get their heads round this, smartphones are not a niche segement anymore over the next upgrade cycles they will become the majority handsets and therefore not just in the hands of fanatical minorities who will tolerate any flaw in their beloved manufacturer's handsets. Apple got this and clamped down on certain functionality and the way Apps access the OS in the intersts of stability and this is the key aspect - it's no good having a great OS (and symbian isn't) if it's not stable and easy to use, the public simply won't tolerate it. See the decline in WM. The retail shops have no interest other than stocking the most popular, best selling handsets which give them the least trouble - ie generate the most profit.
It's no good listening to the fanbois' usual screeching on here that there's an anti SE global (ususally featuring Eldar as leader) conspiracy. The recent AdMob data linked to in another thread shows the parlous state SE and some other manufacturers are in. However the one sinking fastest along with SE are Nokia who at least unlike SE have some buffer in market share (though not for much longer if they continue with fiascos like N97). Yes I think SE have been a bit harshly treated in the instance of the Satio it's no worse (actually better) than the N97 when released (and that has been dropped by Voda) but SE are reaping the reward of their poor reputation earned through handsets like K850 P990 etc . In the real world of the market place away from the fanbois' late night fantasy dreams and conspiracy theories SE simply doesn't cut it. As a long time owner of SE/E products and admirer of their inovation years ago I hope they can turn it around but I'm not sure that the wait hasn't been too long and the world hasn't turned too far for them to regain that inovative edge, at the moment they're running to catch up and not making it.
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Posted: 2009-11-26 14:17:13
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I guess that even if these problems may ask merely for a firmware update it's already a big big shame for SE if we consider how much time it took in order to this phone to hit the shelves. They kept every loyal SE costumer on hold, just waiting for it. I have ordered a independently imported one, for which I am still waiting to arrive, and now I am completely lost here.
Will SE provide ways for those customers who bought it through several auction sites or independent importers of getting their devices repaired in the case of a troughout recall?
Ragarding the S60 v5 discussion, it's not fair comparing it to previous models from other manufacturers running the same OS. SE should have learnt with those early mistakes before realeasing the Satio. They had more than enough time to make sure that the phone would behave nicely upon its realease. Going further, if SE were to bet all its money on it, I guess now that they should fire all the team in charge of testing/developing. Anyone here @ this forum would certainly be a much more productive employee for SE than any of its inborn testers.
I feel really disappointed by SE. For those who gave a look at the Satio Launch Blog, it's very frustrating not to see a single word from SE there now. Priorly to its launch everything was absolutely nice, the phone performed nicely in all SE's videos and all the criticism was regarded as biased. A legion of Satio's lickers kept on defending it night and day, but now they're gone. I bet that if my Satio needs to be recalled, I will loose all the money I've spent on it.
SE, if that's true, you've just lost one of those loyal customers of yours, and if that happens, I will never come back again. Besides, I'll do my very best to keep people from buying a SE again.
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Posted: 2009-11-26 14:35:24
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I was in Carphone this morning and some guy was bringing his n97 back for faults. He wanted to swap to Satio and the store assistant said no its been recalled. The guy looked mad
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Posted: 2009-11-26 14:45:00
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Not to put too fine a point on it, I think this is probably the beginning of the end for Symbian. Certainly S60 is now dead as a doornail, and Symbian^2 (if and when that sees the light of day) will have to work hard to distance itself from it.
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Posted: 2009-11-26 14:52:27
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On 2009-11-26 14:52:27, Boinng wrote:
Not to put too fine a point on it, I think this is probably the beginning of the end for Symbian. Certainly S60 is now dead as a doornail, and Symbian^2 (if and when that sees the light of day) will have to work hard to distance itself from it.
Agreed. But i see a different cause to that. Satio might have been a kind of salvation to it, or at least an attempt of keeping it pretty much alive. The idea of having a magnificent camera along with serious smartphone capabilities will sound tempting anytime, anywhere. But I guess that even if it had succeeded as a mature device, Android seems to grow and to mature in a pretty fast way (just take a look @ the new Google Maps Navigation - it's a cracking feature that will kill even standalone GPS units). I guess that those keeping away from it will face an extremely hard bitten competition. Google will inevitably rule the mobile world in a near future. I guess that this may have sealed Symbian's future more than Satio's own fate. The problem is that SE will never care that much about customers that have bought its nearly dead Symbian flagship. They will now take on with the new Xperia X10 and just leave them behind.
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Posted: 2009-11-26 15:14:17
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I have no problem on my satio,
the only problem I can see is that I can manage more than 3000 media files.
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Posted: 2009-11-26 18:37:58
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Agree with the Symbian death comments. Looking at it the Satio seems to be a 'lets use everything we already have' model for SE. No 3.5mm Jack, Symbian, old touch screen technology.
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Posted: 2009-11-26 21:00:29
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Have to disagree with the screen.... the screen is very good and has a big advantage over amoled screens and that is sunlight visibility ... about 3,5mm .... i not see it as a big problem... there are 3,5mm adaptors everywhere.
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Posted: 2009-11-27 04:24:10
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