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Apparently, the issue with ICS was there were changes on Google's end that affected how games ran and caused problems with the gamepad. If pushing out ICS breaks one of the key features of a product, then Sony's better off not pushing out the update.

Think of it this way: Everyone's bashing Sony for backtracking on their promise to release ICS for one of their devices. If Sony released it, then all the PLAY users would start bashing Sony for releasing an update that broke gameplay on their device.
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Posted: 2012-05-26 02:48:20
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I agree with lolstebbo. There is absolutely no way any XPlay owner would even consider ICS if it meant it's gaming ability would suffer - I know I wouldn't.

Sony Mobile is being honest and open about the XPlay, throughout. If I wanted ICS I could easily install it but never at the expense of stability or its gaming ability.
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Posted: 2012-05-26 07:00:14
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In other words, Either route that Sony takes will result into "death flag" as I said before it can't be helped

EDIT: I wish I could like your post

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Posted: 2012-05-26 07:05:43
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True. ICS has some major issues with certain games. Even Samsung GS2 and Note have some trouble with some games on ICS.

So it makes no sense for Sony to update the play to ICS and handicap its gaming performance significantly.

Though yes certainly it gives a chance to certain Samsung loverboys to bash Sony
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Posted: 2012-05-26 07:25:31
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Could anyone imagine the outcry if Sony release ICS for the Play, and then people who bought games for it discovered that they didn't work or crashed and stuttered?

We'd never hear the end of it!
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Posted: 2012-05-26 07:36:00
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@razec,

Desire c has lower resolution but it has lower clocked cpu and gpu, plus its adreno 200 vs 205 of xperia arc. So it does not really have the advantage of lower resolution.

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Regarding ics, does it mean that the people who bought arc ,etc did not buy it for playing too? Whenever there is a new update there will be incompatibility and developers need to optimise it for the new version. If this was such a big issue, why did sony release U and P with novathor? Not all apps and games run on it because of compatibility issues. It takes time and these sort of problems get sorted out. IMO 512mb was considered low before gingerbread itself, and gingerbread brought several optimisations so it was still ok. What I think sony really needs to do is update it beyond ics, if that does bring better performance, and I am sure it does. That would make them more trust worthy.

@Tsepz_gp,
Samsung updated only few handsets which is a much bigger dissapointment, Sony on the other hand is not updating ONE handset. If we take the percentages there would be a big diffrence and, Both of these companies guaranteed updates for 18 months.
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Posted: 2012-05-26 11:29:59
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Lolstebbo
Thats how updates are, there will be instability in some apps and games, its up to the developers to bring them up to speed with everything, thats how it is even in iOS. Why couldn't Sony advise their developers and partners to then update the games? Or why not atleast give users the option of updating or not?

Randomuser
Im talking from experience in going through the same crap with SE, they had some rubbish excuse as to why the X10 wouldn't go past 2.1, many of us had to do petitions, threaten on FB and Twitter and THEN they worked on 2.3, it looks like a repeat of that now, and with people like you defending them i wont be shocked if they do this again to another product, it just never ends with them.

Djin
Are you aware of the fact that EVERY GS2 variant, every Galaxy Note variant, every Galaxy Tab7 variant, Tab8.9 variant and Tab10.1 variants are either being updated as we speak or are getting the upgrade??? The number of GS2 variants alone is probably about the same as the entire SE 2011 line, the SE 2011 are ALL on the same S2 Snapdragon, the GS2 variants use differing HW, Exynos (International/Sprint USA), TI OMAP (i9100G), S3 Snapdragon (USA/Canada), lets then not forget the Galaxy Ace2, Galaxy S Advance etc...
Also, instead of just leaving the original 2010 Galaxy S, Samsung made the effort to give it some ICS features, last i checked my X10 is still on the buggy 2.3.3, they never even bothered to a bug reduction update. Id say Samsung have done a better job with updates, and unlike promising a specific update and then back tracking on it as Sony has, Samsung will do their research 1st AND THEN release a statement explaining the situation and bring a minor update.


Tell me, will the Play get a minor update to atleast iron out bugs?
Seems to be getting abandond.
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Posted: 2012-05-26 12:38:00
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@Tsepz_Gp,
I think you missed my point,
out of 17(or maybe more) galaxy phones, about 6 are being updated to ics. S2 variant is still S2, just like if i believe you that entire 2011 xperia handsets are exactly the same even though there are many diffrences besides the cpu processor.

So take out the percentages of support from each company,
sony has supported 90% of their models and samsung has supported 35% of their models. These figures are not really for quoting me or any proof, but merely the number of models each company released last year and spporting it for ics update. This was my point. I know sony has messed up the ics update which i have also said.

Also "Samsung will do their research 1st AND THEN release a statement explaining the situation and bring a minor update" was hard for me to believe especially regarding how they back tracked on their super amoled + screens which your s2 has. It seems they did their research later AND THEN fixed the issue, after experimenting on millions of people.

I am just criticizing where they didnt do well, and sony updated 90% of their models and they have said 4.0.4 will come to it too. SO hopefully that will make things better as compared to the current ics update. x10 was a disaster, Which i expect them to not do again for the newer handsets. But they are the only company which has supported most number of handsets in their portfolio which i think is stupid to criticize about. Not everyone goes for flaghsip phones and those who dont and go for mid range,etc devices also deserve to have an update. They are not paying less for the operating system when they go midrange but for h/w. Which is why these things matter. Those who got xperia mini will have ics but those who have galaxy mini wont. Only the ones which you said will have them , and those include tablets, Basically s2,note, w and r will get ics. Thats it. So I believe I am aware of what I am saying for the most parts?
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Posted: 2012-05-26 14:57:29
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From what I information I was able to gather (the internet is a convenient tool for research), changes in ICS that Google made affect how games work on Android. Furthermore, it compromises the stability of the gamepad. This is what game developers and members on XDA Forums that tested out the ROM have said. If one company telling developers to get their apps updated to work on newer versions of Android, then all the Android applications would have been updated to conform to Holo by now. That's clearly not the case, so if the company responsible for Android's development can't get major third-parties such as Facebook and Twitter to update their apps to match Holo, do you really expect a minor OEM in the ecosystem to be able to get game developers to update their games (a process that is significantly easier said than done) to ensure that they work on one single device?

Sony opted not to give the option because it ultimately reduces their liability. If the primary marketed function becomes unusable because of the update, then, even if Sony issues a warning about it (they've already been issuing warnings that ICS may not run as well as GB on the 2011 Xperias), Sony still becomes subject to negative feedback that could be worse than the feedback they're getting for not rolling out the update.

Sony provides the option for users to unlock their bootloaders and easily flash on new ROMs. If you really want ICS on your device, then go that route. It's not like Sony goes out of their way to try to make you be stuck on their own ROMs.
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Posted: 2012-05-26 17:40:05
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Djin
What im saying is that the S2 variants are different phones, they differ just as much as the 2011 Xperia's, and some of the S2 variants are sold together in some markets e.g. the i9100 and i9100G. There's even a GS2 HD, they are a line of devices themselves under the GS2 brand.
Anyway, it is not just the S2, and Note, the Galaxy R, Galaxy Ace2 and Galaxy S Advance are also getting it, so NO, its not just flagships.

WRT the Super AMOLED Plus, they already said we shouldnt see any sort of degradation for atleast 2-3years

The difference here is Samsung and HTC dont promise what they cant deliver. The Play was one expensive phone and is less than a year old, it had a lot of hype, the least Sony and the game developers could do is to update the games and work together to make a nice update for the Xperia Play users, its very unfair that an Xperia Ray will be able to run apps like Chrome and Apex, and get the nicer more consistant UI, while the high end Play will be left behind.

Anyway, why am i worried??? I see the Sony fans around here are fine with this sort of treatment, and i dont use Sony phones anymore. I can now see why members like Toney Ericsson pretty much gave up all hope in Sony/SE. I expect to see a similar thing when Jelly Bean arrives, its bad enough the Xperia S is behind older phones, and only gets its update late next month, whilest its rivals....nevermind,just thing about the situation gives me headache.


Randomuser
That is very true, i see what you mean, but appp like Twitter and FB have their own UI in general, both were tweaked under the hood to run on ICS , and i can say Twitter works like a charm, FB on the other hand is unstable on both Android and iOS.
On a daily basis i have apps wanting to update, many list ICS optimization as part of the update, so this is bound to happen. What this means is that the Play is screwed in the long run, its creating more fragmentation, and those devs will leave the Play behind as they update their games for ICS phones.

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Posted: 2012-05-26 18:40:45
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