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He probably means pocket word,excel and that kinda stuff...
Beyond that I don't think there is very much that's THAT much better.
His ipaq is rather powerfull though.. I Wouldn't mind one..
But it is EXPENSIVE. Costs more than a p800 and it lacks phone capabilities. Meaning that you have to drag along a rather expensive phone along with the already huge Ipaq.
The phone would Almost have bluetooth(ir could do it but it would be inconvenient).
A t68i,6310i , s55 or something similar.
Meaning that the p800 is much cheaper indeed.
Of course as a pda the ipaq is better than the p800.
But all things considered(size,cost, having to drag along an extra device to connect to the web) the p800 wins hands down in my book...
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Posted: 2003-02-28 23:42:00
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Very enlightening. But since these 2 phones are fairly new some people like me already have a pda and a phone. In my case an ipaq and t68 the question then is are the features of the p800 good enough to abandon our setup? For me the inability of the p800 to edit word docs is a fal breaker. As for the nokia.. Well its a nokia. So here i am waiting for the successor of the t68i.
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Posted: 2003-03-01 00:31:00
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On 2003-03-01 00:31, vwbeetle wrote:
For me the inability of the p800 to edit word docs is a fal breaker.
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I can't imagine it'll be that long before we see Quick office on the P800.
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Posted: 2003-03-01 01:40:00
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On 2003-02-28 06:41, mariolouis wrote:
re: processing speed
a faster processor on a different platform doesn't mean faster processing. take a pocket pc for example, a 400mhz intel xscale processor on pocketpc 2002 os runs slower than the older 206mhz intel strong arm since it is not optimized.
Well, since the P800 and the 3650 uses the same CPU type the Mhz difference is a pretty good way of comparing the speed. When it comes to comparing an 400Mhz Intel XScale with a 206Mhz Intel StrongArm you can't compare them since it is not the same type of CPU. The XScale is a differnent cpu. The XScale requires OS & program support for it's true potential to be shown.
When it comes to the P800 and the 3650 this is Symbian OS, ehich is nowhere near the resource eater like the M$ PocketPC OS are. The P800 cpu is alot faster than the 3650/7650.
And as it has been stated here the CPU speed does matter when it comes to multitasking. If playing for example mp3 in the background a faster cpu means that the rest of the programs are more responsive when multitasking.
Th 3650 has nothing that gives it any advantage over the P800 (except price maybe). The P800 is on par or better in every area.
I know some people will say T9 makes the 3650 better. Well... how good is T9 with a horrible keypad layout?
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Posted: 2003-03-01 12:51:00
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gadgetboytom Posts: > 500
i agree ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Posted: 2003-03-01 14:27:00
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On 2003-03-01 12:51, ppcrockar wrote:
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...a faster processor on a different platform doesn't mean faster processing. take a pocket pc for example, a 400mhz intel xscale processor on pocketpc 2002 os runs slower than the older 206mhz intel strong arm since it is not optimized....
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There you are absolutely correct!
On 2003-03-01 12:51, ppcrockar wrote:
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...Well, since the P800 and the 3650 uses the same CPU type the Mhz difference is a pretty good way of comparing the speed. When it comes to comparing an 400Mhz Intel XScale with a 206Mhz Intel StrongArm you can't compare them since it is not the same type of CPU. The XScale is a differnent cpu. The XScale requires OS & program support for it's true potential to be shown...
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While I do not know the proc for the two phones, I will take your word on it. As for the part about the XScale and the StrongArm, you are correct. One part you left out, however, is that the 206MHz StrongArm is pretty much at the top of it's game in terms of performance. Yeah, Intel COULD make a faster one, but that's the same as making a faster version of a P3 or P4 processor.
The XScale, however, is just starting out and is underutilized--largely because direct support for all it's features is not yet implemented in WinCE/PocketPC as you so correctly pointed out. That means that a newer version of that OS with direct XScale support will run (from what I have seen, LOTS) faster than the current version of the OS running on the exact same processor. So the XScale has headroom where the StrongArm is already at it's ceiling. This is really no different than when the industry made the switch to the Pentium, Pentium II, and then later the Pentium 4 (which were all MAJOR architectural changes).
On 2003-03-01 12:51, ppcrockar wrote:
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...When it comes to the P800 and the 3650 this is Symbian OS, ehich is nowhere near the resource eater like the M$ PocketPC OS are. The P800 cpu is alot faster than the 3650/7650...
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You said above that the P800 and the 3650 had the same proc, yet here you are saying they're different. I presume the ONLY difference is that the P800's proc is just faster.
On 2003-03-01 12:51, ppcrockar wrote:
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...And as it has been stated here the CPU speed does matter when it comes to multitasking. If playing for example mp3 in the background a faster cpu means that the rest of the programs are more responsive when multitasking...
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It does and it doesn't. I can contradict your example easily. Try running Microsoft Outlook when it's trying to connect to an Exchange server that is down (not standard POP3 mail access, mind you--I mean a full Exchange server). It doesn't matter how fast my proc is or how many I have or whatever: The way Outlook is written, if it needs to talk with Exchange, but Exchange is not answering back, my machine's going to stop and wait until it gets that answer. Raw horsepower has NO impact on that whatsoever! So I have to disagree with you: processor speed is not the end-all be-all.
I can have a PC with two processors at 500MHz that run faster than a machine with one processor at 1GHz or higher. At the same time, you can have two machines with identical hardware and different OSes (or different versions of the same OS) that run this app or that app at different speeds.
My overall point here is that processor speed is one part of the equation, but not the only part or even the biggest part. Raw hardware speed, OS efficiency, app efficiency (and how it's written in general), and resource requirements/usage all are significant contributing factors.
On 2003-03-01 12:51, ppcrockar wrote:
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...Th 3650 has nothing that gives it any advantage over the P800 (except price maybe). The P800 is on par or better in every area.
I know some people will say T9 makes the 3650 better. Well... how good is T9 with a horrible keypad layout?...
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That's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to that. Your opinion is based on YOUR needs and desires. If being able to change the phone's covers was a critical need for you (what if you don't like that shade of blue?), the P800 would have a major disadvantage. It's a silly example, I'll grant you, but it explains what I am trying to get across when I say that it's your opinion when you talk about P800 having everything over the 3650. What about if you were dead set against paying more than $400 for ANY phone? Then the P800 is out. Period. Everyone is entitled to your opinion, but you cannot presume to make a unilateral decision on which is better based solely on your definitions.
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Posted: 2003-03-01 21:52:00
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You have to agree that a 200MHz ARM9 processor is better than a 104MHz one.
16Mb Ram is also better than 8...
You could say that the os of the two phones is different and therefore the p800 doesn't benefit from more ram due to the os taking it up. But HEY! It doesn't. The p800 has about 7-9 MB of available ram while the 3650 has 3,4 or 3,6(I can't remember exactly).
AND. According to symbian the 7.0 and 6.1 os is not that far apart.
So if a game/app is optimized for 3650 and the same game/app is optimized for the p800. The p800 will win performance wise....
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Posted: 2003-03-02 15:53:00
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Actually the P800 processor runs at 156Mhz. Michal Jerz, the admin of My-Symbian.com made a small program that reads the P800 CPU speed.
http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2709&highlight=156mhz
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Posted: 2003-03-02 16:04:00
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On 2003-03-02 16:04, Raven wrote:
Actually the P800 processor runs at 156Mhz. Michal Jerz, the admin of My-Symbian.com made a small program that reads the P800 CPU speed.
Would that same program work on the 3650?
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Posted: 2003-03-02 17:48:00
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Yep
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Posted: 2003-03-02 17:54:00
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