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On 2007-02-27 03:54:16, mib1800 wrote:
Try putting your TS with your keys and sit on it.
For not TS, I just replace the phone casing. For your TS, you can write it off. As simple as that.
that's how my buddy broke his n73 screen...lol
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Posted: 2007-02-27 16:08:19
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On 2007-02-27 03:54:16, mib1800 wrote:
CIF (352x288) video is very watchable on tv screen. It may not be as good as those taken with handheld but at the very least it is viewable. No SE phones can do this not even the W900.
w900 is 30fps qvga recording, P990 15fps qvga recording. Are you assuming all models are the same because of K800 (which has 3gp recording only)? SE did make an error in judgement by not giving K800 qvga recording I admit.
There is also issue of quality. The 3gp on my K750 is more useable than the qvga output of my XDA (the xda has crap sensor). 3GP recording on the Nokia 6233 for example seems crap compared to K750, whereas N70 is much the same.
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Try putting your TS with your keys and sit on it.
For not TS, I just replace the phone casing. For your TS, you can write it off. As simple as that.
Well, I never keep my keys in same pocket as phone. Even hard screens can be scratch though yes I can change the cover if necessary. Never had the problem of sitting on my phone
Good luck to you no matter what phone you own if this is a problem for you! Really we are splitting hairs now mib aren't we?
I guess it just comes down to personal preference in the end...
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Posted: 2007-02-28 00:16:17
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i might not get hd video on my w900's videos but i can clearly see what i recorded and i amplify the video and still no lag, im very happy with my w900's video and surely wouldnt choose a phone over w900 (in its time).
Sure is qvga but as i said u can expand it on ur pc and as long as i know 30fps is smoother than 15fps. Im still waiting for a w900-like phone but wi-fi and at least 3.2mp
Sry for my bad english
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Posted: 2007-02-28 02:25:52
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Quote:3GP recording on the Nokia 6233 for example seems crap compared to K750, whereas N70 is much the same.
3gpp is virtually useless when viewed on tv due to low quality of the video. btw, if you dont already know N70 (and all n-series) record in mpeg4 format which is a much better quality in terms of sound, color reproduction and clarity than 3gpp ones (even those with qvga).
Quote:Never had the problem of sitting on my phone. Good luck to you no matter what phone you own if this is a problem for you!
To be honest, if I own a TS phone, I would not put it in my trousers pocket. I would treat it with utmost care. I just dont like the stressful feeling of always needing to remember to be careful at all time with the phone.
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Posted: 2007-02-28 04:04:06
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Any large screen phone needs to be handled with care, TBH the example of sitting on it is worthless in this. It applies to any type of phone. I've seen non TS phones screens easily broken by users, likewise touchscreens as well.
That entirely comes down to the user and how the phone was being handled. If you sit on the phone and there is pressure against the screen, then tbh the only thing that makes a TS more susceptible is surface area. But large screens aren't just a "problem" on TS phones.
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Posted: 2007-02-28 05:57:27
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Hi all,
First of all lets calm down shall we i make a few comments that are my opinions if you like them or not they are just that my opinions. Next thing i know we are one step away from all out War again.
Can some of you not accept as a FACT SE are not perfect NO MANFACTUER is perfect nor is any OS. Touch screen or non touch screen is down to user preference nothing more, some of you have to have a Touchscreen and will accept certain visibility penalties as a trade off.
Others of us will not and therefore through choice choose non touchscreen devices. Both positions are valid for what the end user has a preference for and either wants or needs their is no right or wrong choice.
Why when ever we start talking about UIQ does every one start jumping in knocking S60 and Nokia that is not we are discussing so i can see no point in it. Especially when half the claims are just lubricious.
@chamak
Sorry but i do not understand what point you are trying to make firstly about Tom Tom only supporting 25 Countries so what there are plenty of other solutions that may do. Your next point in which you try to explain that less P990's are sold because not many people can afford them is sorry absurd. Yes at launch the P990 was expensive but it definitely isn't any longer is it, so plenty of people can afford them now if they want one. After all it is a flagship device and not intended to be mass market much like my N93 i wouldn't very be happy if everyone had one and they were now half the price i paid just 6 months ago.
@ Max Wedge sorry but just what are you talking about? yes the W900 was and is a great phone and was well ahead of its time when released but the rest of your claims re Camera's and especially Video are definitely not correct. On this SE is well behind the curve and needs to pull it's socks up before it gets well and truly left behind IMO and start delivering what you guys want.
As far as Cameras go the minimum spec on any new device being launched needs to be a minimum of 3.2 Mega pixels with AF and preferably a 3x Optical Zoom. As for Video the chips are out and so is the capability and the minimum spec for this should be VGA 640x480 30fps and that is MO on a minimum spec for both top end and even mid range devices.
Ares are you seriously trying to suggest that the fact the P990 had the highest return rate of any phone especially last August /September is nothing more than a vicious rumour to discredit SE?
As i will bet you anything if SE had not released the P990 till the state the Firmware got to in January this Year there would of been far less returns or people having ago at SE and being dissatisfied. Now if you can't see that well I am sorry but those of you that can never see any wrong doing by SE and anyone that dares criticize them must all be Nokia fan boys and SE haters are seriously in need of some help. Wait i know none of you are paranoid it just that everyone is out to get SE i mean really please.
SE now do seem to be resolving the issues at last but 5-6 months is not an acceptable time frame by anyone's standards and hopefully the next set of devices will arrive in a proper condition for the user, Not need work rounds and 3rd party apps just to make it function. A lot is riding on these next devices they don't just need to seem good they have to be very good anything else will not be accepted by the paying public how ever devout the disciples might be they won't be treated the same way again. Many have already stated they will not be early adopters and will wait for positive reports from the forums till buying again. Some have said it is now to late and that they will not trust SE again or buy thier products and yes i fall into this category. But it still does not mean i hate SE i just don't trust them anymore and i have now found an OS that suits my needs and preferences better. That doesn't make it a better OS or the OS you should use just what suits me best is that clear enough for you people to understand.
You see the thing is because i have what a lot of you want from SE already in your wish list minus of course a touch screen and my device is already nearly 7 months old and newer and better speced devices are appearing already you are I'm afraid to say playing catch up. IMO SE needs to miss out a generation of specs and try to get ahead of the curve. The P990 was delayed so long from announcement and that what was at that time cutting edge was already outdated by launch and that is why they couldn't wait till December /January to launch IMO.
IMO opinion they should of just released the M600 and W950 as UIQ3 tasters and waited to launch the P990 replacement with UIQ3.1 which i would imagine could be here by April/May it would of shown a commitment to quality and cutting edge tech and been far better for their reputation IMO. Hell it's what i would of done if i was at SE no way on this earth would i of sold the August /September P990's to my customers. I would love to meet the man that did give the go ahead and ask him just one question?
How and Why did you release this device?
As i said earlier if he released them with Januarys firmware a different story entirely would of occurred no threats of Lawsuits no moaning people on all the Forums and generally a much better state of affairs.
Early today i received an E-mail advising me that i am being considered to trail new devices and keep a blog and post what i find on Forums i really hope it happens as i would most certainly enjoy it. But for know i am very happy with my N93 and 8800 Special Edition between them they fulfill all my needs, they may not be what you like or want but they are for me perfect.
If some of you people can get your head around what i am actually saying great, if not it's Adios as i really can't be doing with all this unnecessary petty bitching and sniping it's not what the Forum is meant to be about. If that's what any of you want do fair enough but you will have to play by yourselves because i have better things to do with my time. IF we can have sensible debates and exchanges of views great I'll be here otherwise just not interested anymore and everyone is free to believe what ever they wish.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-02-28 08:05:07
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On 2007-02-17 06:52:23, Dogmann wrote:
So you have just proved my point SE with the release of 3 UIQ3 phones mange to rise to 5.1% of smart phone sales which is under 10 % of the Symbian market share.
7.6% of the Symbian market share may be small, but not negligible especially if you look how much they have grown. With a couple of more interesting UIQ devices during 2007 SE may very well increase their market share (probably more on expence of WM devices than N60 devices is my guess).
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On 2007-02-17 06:52:23, Dogmann wrote:
Also i wonder if that 5.1% takes into account the number of units that were sold minus the high return rate in which case it would be even smaller.
All figures are calculated in same way for all devices as it should be for the statistics to be reliable and fair or do you imply that number of returned units is somehow more relevant for SE than for other manufacturers ?
Also, if you can provide us with some reliable source with some statistics backing up your claim about returned units in the world (not where you live), please do so. You may very well be right, but without a reliable source I find your claim irrelevant for this discussion.
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On 2007-02-17 06:52:23, Dogmann wrote:
Despite what many of you may think i am not an SE hater or basher
Perhaps you are right, but the way you articulate most certanly reminds of one.
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On 2007-02-17 06:52:23, Dogmann wrote:
but i do think the should to taken to task on what they have done so far with UIQ3 and how they have treated thier customers.
And how does this compare to other manufacturers would you say ?
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On 2007-02-17 06:52:23, Dogmann wrote:
But if there next devices fail to deliver i think even the most ardent SE fans will desert them as many already have.
I'll say their sale figures and market share will speak for itself. So far everything points upward contradicting what you say. Time will tell (2007 has just begun).
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Posted: 2007-02-28 12:34:54
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On 2007-02-28 08:05:07, Dogmann wrote:
Can some of you not accept as a FACT SE are not perfect NO MANFACTUER is perfect nor is any OS. Touch screen or non touch screen is down to user preference nothing more, some of you have to have a Touchscreen and will accept certain visibility penalties as a trade off.
Others of us will not and therefore through choice choose non touchscreen devices. Both positions are valid for what the end user has a preference for and either wants or needs their is no right or wrong choice.
@ Max Wedge sorry but just what are you talking about? yes the W900 was and is a great phone and was well ahead of its time when released but the rest of your claims re Camera's and especially Video are definitely not correct. On this SE is well behind the curve and needs to pull it's socks up before it gets well and truly left behind IMO and start delivering what you guys want.
Dogman, you are right about personal preference. You are completely wrong if you think I am saying SE is perfect. ALL I am doing is correcting Nokia fanboys who speak without knowledge. For example misunderstanding of the extent of JAVA support on SE handsets, and the fact someone mentioned K750 doesn't have autofocus when it does. This and other examples used by nokia fanboys to denigrate the SE handsets that are available without realising they are more advanced than they thought.
Also I didn't raise the issue of TS, I responded to someone whose arguments against a TS were AS YOU SAY personal preference, a personal preference they used to argue that it's okay that Nokia don't offer a TS option for their customer's. Instead of just accepting the point that Nokia fail to offer a TS, we get argument that it doesn't matter because TS are useless. SE has a huge edge in the market over Nokia when it comes to TS based pda phones. So all this arguing that Nokia has better video recording is a crock of shit if someone needs a TS device. Using a TS device is not a wank; for a muti-tasking application platform I see a TS as necessary (imagine using a computer with the keyboard alone - no mouse - that's a lot of keystrokes just to move around the interface). While a few like MIB don't need a TS, I would say that the majority of smartphone users would prefer a TS by a long shot.
BTW, none of what I said about video recording is incorrect. The 3GP recording on my K750 is just as good as the N70 (a little better in my view); I accept the N70 uses mp4 encoding, but it's still a crap sensor compared to K750, and still only 176x144 resolution.
I made no other incorrect statements about video recording, you show me where so I can answer you properly, or are you just making it up? If you notice I said to mib that N9x series is more advanced than what SE have to offer (at the moment), did you even read that or do you only read that which suits you?
SE may be trailing the N9x series at the moment, but the K750 had a better camera than the N91, and they will regain the lead again. And then Nokia will retake the lead and so on. Anyway, regardless of which is "BEST", SE still make excellent camera phones. It's you Nokia Fanboys who keep trying to convince us SE are crap, not the other way around. I don't buy into this whole stupid one is better than the other argument. Both Nokia and SE have quite good phones and to say things like "SE is well behind the curve and needs to pull it's socks up before it gets well and truly left behind IMO " is just complete and utter codswollop.
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Posted: 2007-02-28 22:36:54
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Little side note:
Dogmman, better not update your dream phone to the latest firmware, it seems its "full of bugs". Also, notice how users talk about n93 rebooting during calls, with recent firmware. And so on. Reading other s60 v3 threads also gives us interesting data regarding how some are so strickt against SE, and not so much regarding other brands
But of course, its only SE and UIQ that are awfull
http://discussions.europe.nok[....]swupdate&message.id=348&page=9
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Posted: 2007-02-28 22:49:13
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On 2007-02-28 22:49:13, ares wrote:
Little side note:
Dogmman, better not update your dream phone to the latest firmware, it seems its "full of bugs". Also, notice how users talk about n93 rebooting during calls, with recent firmware. And so on. Reading other s60 v3 threads also gives us interesting data regarding how some are so strickt against SE, and not so much regarding other brands
But of course, its only SE and UIQ that are awfull
http://discussions.europe.nok[....]swupdate&message.id=348&page=9
Isn't it funny how some Nokia people continually run down the P990 and any SE phone that has a firmware issue, when Nokia have no better performance on firmware stability, and certainly have the same problem of getting it right first time?
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Posted: 2007-02-28 22:56:57
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