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iopy Posts: 37

QWERTY keyboard and touch-screen are the most important features together with other features. Not the qwerty alone, not the touchscreen alone, but together with all the other typical smartphone features. What is the point of Quickoffice editing without the qwerty?
And you are listing phones that are still to come. As for the 9500, 9300 they are fare more buggy than any SE smartphone and they misses the touchscreen.

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Posted: 2007-04-01 13:44:49
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nettl Posts: 89

I agree 100%, AYA!
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Posted: 2007-04-01 14:14:21
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koto Posts: > 500

I absolutely agree with iopy when speaking subjectively. For me qwerty + touch screen is a must have. That's what I need from the phone.
From the other side aya is absolutely right. If we speak objectively who can say my above statement apply to all , it would be ridiculous. So many people, businessmens and others use smartphones without touch screen or/and qwerty and are very happy with it.
It is so nice to have different options that can satisfy different needs.
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Posted: 2007-04-01 16:24:48
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OluYom Posts: > 500


On 2007-04-01 13:44:49, iopy wrote:
QWERTY keyboard and touch-screen are the most important features together with other features. Not the qwerty alone, not the touchscreen alone, but together with all the other typical smartphone features. What is the point of Quickoffice editing without the qwerty?


Again, you ar guilty of hasty generalisation there. Not all smartphone are primarilly business devices, in which document editing or typing lots of text is important.

Some smartphones and users are clearly in the multimedia sector - music, video et al. To those in this category, a QWERTY keyboard and/or touchscreen may not be essential or important. The N95 clearly has a place here.

Other smartphones and users belong in the business sector. Even here, there are still layers - those who need to merely view documents and those who may need to do some editing and lots of text input.

I belong in the business class where lots of text input is essential. I need a QWERTY keyboard above all. I do not give a hoot about a touchscreen. That's why I have stayed with QWERTY devices - the 9500 and E61.

There are others who find the touchscreen essential, but not the QWERTY keyboard.

Point: There is such a wide range of needs that when you say that "What is the point of Quickoffice editing without the qwerty?" you have with one swipe excluded and neglected so many other categories of users.

Take a look around, and see that every type of smartphones sell - to different market/consumer needs. There are some smartphones I personally will not be caught dead with - but that's simply because they do not meet my personal needs. But it would be wrong for me to say that they are useless just because they do not have the features that I need.


On 2007-04-01 13:44:49, iopy wrote:
As for the 9500, 9300 they are fare more buggy than any SE smartphone and they misses the touchscreen.

That, my friend, is subject to a lot of debate. "than any SE smartphone"? I'm having a good laugh over that now.

My conclusion: The guy who is ditching the P990i for the N95 is doing so to meet his personal needs. Many others will not take the same step, because the P990i meets their needs, and they are satisfied. At the end of the day, it is each consumer's satisfaction that matters.
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Posted: 2007-04-01 16:35:15
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stiltzkin Posts: 60


On 2007-04-01 16:35:15, AYA wrote:

On 2007-04-01 13:44:49, iopy wrote:

Point: There is such a wide range of needs that when you say that "What is the point of Quickoffice editing without the qwerty?" you have with one swipe excluded and neglected so many other categories of users.



There appears to be a rift developing on the forums with hardcore SE fans and Nokia Fans.

There are, as you say, many different requirements, and therefore many different phones and many different users. No one device is going to be utilised in the same way by two users. So EVERYBODYS experience is going to be different and therefore not wrong - just an opinion.

Some people appear to be taking a negative comment about a device personally, just because they don't agree.

Personally, since about 2001, I haven't had a Nokia, I've found them to be lacking and crap (IMHO). I think it is a case of the company becoming complacent and taking their foot off the gas a little. As a business unit they suffered because of this. They are gaining their ground back again. And I may one day look at a nokia again, but I haven't seen a device that I would be happy with.

But for my opinion above, there is going to be someone else with the polar opposite view point - it is everyone's prerogative to have an opinion (and in this case, be wrong )



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Posted: 2007-04-01 17:00:05
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iopy Posts: 37

I see you are having a good laugh over the fact that the 9300 and 9500 cant reach up to the P990i? And in the P990 you got the numeric keys, the qwerty keys, and a touchscreen. The only smartphone matching the P990i is the TyTn. And that my friend, is a fact! The fact that people are settled for less, dont make a crappy phone better.
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Posted: 2007-04-01 17:11:48
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Dogmann Posts: > 500

@iopy

Just how old are the 9300 and 9500 to be compared to the P990 and also they are a completely different type of device. Once more why should how bad something else is or isn't make the P990's problems OK then, how can that possibly make sense.

Whilst you may not like what Nokia offer many more do as they sell a large amount of Symbian smart phones that SE can only dream of achieving surely if your assumptions where correct re needing a touchscreen and qwerty Nokia with it's non touchscreen interface simply wouldn't sell in these huge numbers would they? So obviously what you think and prefer is not what most people appear to agree with is it?

Marc

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Posted: 2007-04-01 17:27:04
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sealover94 Posts: > 500

Nokia with N95 is light years ahead from Se....ADMIT IT!!IT IS A REALITY...

I have a p990 and i feel like losing my money (605 euros (Sep 06))

SE needs a L E A D E R PHONE !!!!!!!!

-5 MEGAPIXEL CCD CAMERA LENS WITH FLASH/AUTOFOCUS/RED EYE FILTER
-INTERNAL GPS
-WIFI B/G/A
-16 MILLION COLOURS 640*480 SCREEN
-VGA VIDEO RECORDER
-TV OUT
-1GB CARD INCLUDED
-256MB RAM
- >1150mAh BATTERY CAPACITY
-5-WAY JOG DIAL.....JUST LIKE THE OLD P-SERIES..........

THAT WILL BE A LEADER PHONE......NO MATTER THE COST .......(a leader phone represents the technological stage of a mobile-phone-company such as SE! )

COME ON SE!!!BUILD ONE NOW!!!

P1000 !!!:D

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2007-04-01 17:19 ]

[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2007-04-01 17:21 ]
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Posted: 2007-04-01 18:19:18
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OluYom Posts: > 500


On 2007-04-01 17:11:48, iopy wrote:
I see you are having a good laugh over the fact that the 9300 and 9500 cant reach up to the P990i?

Prejudice is so bad, people do not even read. This is what you said:

On 2007-04-01 13:44:49, iopy wrote:
As for the 9500, 9300 they are fare more buggy than any SE smartphone

You said "any SE smartphone", not P990i. Sorry. I'm still laughing.

PS: You also did not talk about the 9500/9300 "reaching up to", which would imply features. You talked about being buggy. Isn't there a clear difference between the two?


On 2007-04-01 17:00, stiltzkin wrote:
it is everyone's prerogative to have an opinion (and in this case, be wrong )

Agreed. So long as we understand that not all opinions are valid, especially if they are based on faulty reasoning.

Some phones are truly crappy, but when you say that all Nokia phones are lacking and crappy since 2001, its just plain.... sheesh.

Someone else on a Nokia forum is probably saying too that he has not used an SE since 1611 because he found them lacking and crappy.

I have used SE, Nokia, Siemens, Motorola and other phones over the years. I have used what met my needs and I insist that did not make the others crappy.

I find it amusing that all Nokia phones for years have been supposedly crappy and lacking, yet Nokia outsells any other mobile manufacturer on the market.

I find it amusing that all Nokia phones are supposedly crappy, yet the mobility section of my business and of others I know have been run on them with ever-increasing profits for over 3 years.

Generalisation is just an intellectually lazy approach towards issues. The truth is that some Nokia phones are crappy; some SE phones are crappy; and some Motorola phones are crappy.

Let's just grow up and get a life.
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[ This Message was edited by: AYA on 2007-04-01 18:19 ]
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Posted: 2007-04-01 18:38:58
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iopy Posts: 37

This leads nowere... Why Nokia is selling more smartphones? Because they hav the really cheap ones you can afford, not because they are better.
Standbytime and talktime is importan on a phone, someting Nokia has forgotten. They really suck there...
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Posted: 2007-04-01 20:36:15
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