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On 2007-08-22 04:59:14, skblakee wrote:
Come on guys. A Blackberry isn't a Blackberry without a QWERTY keypad. A P990 successor isn't a P series without the flip. The flip allows the option to use as a conventional phone and to switch to PDA. Not only that the flip should be maintained to distinguish between the P's and M's and so on.
The blackberry suretype phones? They have the worst typing experience though.
But I agree with Boinng, most people here want the flip becase they are used to a flip. There are virtually no phone functions compromised by the lack of a flip.
UIQ3 on the p990 is a pretty bad implementation when you compare it to the p1i. Its fine, but most new users to UIQ3 would probably choose the p1i over the p990i if all they had to go by was the UI and workflow on both.
On 2007-08-22 00:01:50, makbil wrote:
On 2007-08-21 17:29:35, DagMX wrote:
Actually the lack of a flip was also one reason I really liked the p1i. Otherwise I'd have gotten an E90, but everytime Id want to type a large sms/email etc... I'd have had to open up which is just not suitable for quick use.
That's not the case at all. Actually it is easier to write a long SMS (or email) with the flip on.
thats how used to it you are. I prefer a full qwerty keypad because I don't have to rely on predictive text or pressing a button multiple times to get a certain letter.
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Posted: 2007-08-22 19:27:43
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This discussion is about some tastes and preferences.
I must agree that basically P990 flip design is close to perfect, giving the opportunity to flipless operation.
P1 does not give that flexibility. Plus SEMI qwerty keyboard. In the end it's not a business tool really anymore. I know that many users love P1 design, but flip in all Pseries is the CORE of this concept.
I bought P990 (also P800 and P910) BECAUSE it has Flip, is phone and pda at the same time.
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Posted: 2007-08-22 19:41:45
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Hmm as a P900 owner looking for a new phone I'm looking at both the P990 (which I can buy here in Denmark for 1/5 of 1$ (with a commitment of a total amount of about 560$ talktime and data within half a year) ) and the P1i.
And exactly regarding the flip I have my doubts since I can easily see that making a sms with one hand - or maybe even both hands - when it comes to me that is, is much more easy with a flip and T9 input that the QWERTY.
However the P1i is just soo nice in size whereas the P990 has almost the exactly same size as my P900.
And size does matter... It has always been the only downpoint on my P900 and that is why I'll probably buy the lot more expensive P1i after all...
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Posted: 2007-08-22 19:44:47
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I have to agree that this thread might be about preferences.
However the P Series has been about giving one the ability to type with three main ways. Predictive text with flip closed,hand writing and QWERTY keyboard typing. The P1 does allow for all three.
The P series also has a certain distinguishing look that set it apart from other PDA's. I believe that some people here are sticking to their guns with the views on the P1i because they might have been upset with the P990's performance. Also because they are proud owners of P1.
I just wish that SE would release a firmware to update my P990i and give it the same as the P1i.
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Posted: 2007-08-23 00:15:41
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On 2007-08-22 19:41:45, doministry wrote:
This discussion is about some tastes and preferences.
I must agree that basically P990 flip design is close to perfect, giving the opportunity to flipless operation.
P1 does not give that flexibility.
Sigh... these really are the arguments of someone who's never been in the same room as an M600 or P1! Of course the P1 gives you that flexibility, you still have the same choices - you can hold it one handed and use the keypad for everything, hold it two handed and type much faster, get the pen out (imagine you've flipped down the keypad if it makes you feel better!) and it's as much as PDA as the P990 ever was... this idea that you need a flip in order to use the phone in different ways is absolutely FALSE.
Plus SEMI qwerty keyboard. In the end it's not a business tool really anymore.
Again, you are very clearly a "SEMI qwerty" virgin, and have never been anywhere near that keyboard you're pontificating about! If you had, you'd know it's a very effective business tool, and one of the best Qwerty's to ever appear on a phone (semi or otherwise)...
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Posted: 2007-08-23 08:35:03
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amen to that!
look im coming from a p900 p910 p990 to the p1i without having the m600i.
and its a good succesor a good "P" series phone i dont miss the flip a bit! and the keyboard types faster than my p910 mini kb and p990 kb.
if id known it typed that good with that form factor i would have bought an m600i instead of my p990! i couldnt go back to those flip phones now, just the size of em. the p1i is really small to carry around.
Stays a "P" phone to me!
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Posted: 2007-08-23 09:34:02
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ok my word on this is ...
p1 is anyday not a p series phone..!!
lets do the math.. we all loved m600i but hated because it didnt have wifi and camera. so now p1 is out with wifi and so 3.2mp camera. with the additon of camera it was obvious we will have the special feature of business card reader.
p990i has a camera and wifi so where does it lack when its compared to p1?
camera 3.2mp / 2.0mp
ram memory - 128mb / 64mb
flash memory - 256mb / 128mb
internal memory - 160mb / 60mb
lets do the math between p1 and m600i now
camera 3.2mp / no camera
ram memory - 128mb / 32mb
flash memory - 256mb / 60mb
internal memory - 160mb / 32mb (i guess who cares, as everybody buys 1gb card now a days)
p1 is a better phone than p990i but only in few terms.. rest its alllll the same.. lets not talk abt flip makes no sense...i know its been in the p series family... but lets talk abt the features ...
where does actually p1 kills p990i? no where .. its just camera where thers hardly any changes 2.0 -> 3.2 ... ram? flash? internal memory? thats it?
no ways p1 is not a p series phone.. am actually waiting for a p series phone
and my next p series phone would be like
camera - 5.0mp
inbuilt GPS
Ram memory - 256mb
flash memory - 512mb (without 3d games)
internal memory - 160/256mb both are ok with me
external memory - definately upto 8gb ( this is where it should take a step further and it always does)
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Posted: 2007-08-23 09:52:03
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On 2007-08-21 12:06:14, sunking101 wrote:
I wouldn't have bought the P1i if it had a flip, I find them cumbersome and ugly - not to mention fragile.
I have never regarded the P990's flip as being spalt, it is very sturdy!
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Posted: 2007-08-23 09:59:48
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@Boinng
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If you had, you'd know it's a very effective business tool, and one of the best Qwerty's to ever appear on a phone (semi or otherwise)...
You seem to be amazed by your p1i which is fine with me, but a/m statement goes beyond nonsense.
How can a rocker qwerty be better than a full qwerty ?? The discussion of such an obvious matter is nothing but a waste of time and bandwidth.
I've been trying to use a friends M600 for a few days, just out of curiousity.
Trust me, I would have become insane and my friend would have got it back in more than one piece, if I would have used it for another few days...
Back to the flip:
Whether you like it or not, the flip is a unique and excellent invention of SE, which, along with the ts, has always been one of the main reasons why 'real' p-series users have preferred it. and this since day one.
This form factor will surely be continued and further enhanced in future p-series phones.
SE may of course further develop and release rocker phones in the future as well, and they will surely do, as long as there is a demand (and it obviously is), but they should move it back to M or start a fresh series and name it R, Q or whatever...
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Posted: 2007-08-23 10:37:00
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in my opinion the rocker qwerty is the best keyboard I have used on a phone in portrait mode (the slide out TyTN keyboard is the overall best because of its size).
The rocker qwerty provides the M600/P1 with a full keyboard with larger keys than is found on the P990 enabling people with large fingers to have more success at hitting the right key. IMHO this is a huge reason why its better.
I don't have large fingers but I did find typing on the P990 keyboard quite alot less accurate that I do on M600/P1
I've also never liked the flip and could see no point to it. I also recall all the posts we had where people were asking where the setting is to enable opening the flip to answer calls, which is about all it would have been good for IMHO
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Posted: 2007-08-23 10:47:13
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