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You have to admit that the p5 spec is yet another extension of the same platform designed for p800 by the guys at psion.

As such, it IS a disappointment. I agree with the argument about the need for high speed wireless, but surely point is that WHEN the killer app comes out that makes 7.2mb/sec an absolute necessity then the flagship SE smartphone is going to miss out, with users dumping the p5 for other handsets. Then the p5/p1 become a waste of money.

I was looking forward to the p5, but now it turns out that its just a p1 with GPS and a slider. I for one am disappointed, SE really need to bring out a UIQ phone with new hardware.
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Posted: 2008-05-21 20:19:12
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@Nipsen

Are you really stuck in the 90's have you completely missed the evolution of Data use and data speeds?
Have you some how managed to not notice all the Networks spending fortunes on rolling out both 3.6mbps HSDPA and now even 7.2mbps along with manufacturers putting both 3.6mbps and now 7.2mbps HSDPA in their devices. Also just how many fixed price Data plans there are now available all of this is taking place now for use now not in 10 years.

I'm not making this up all of these are facts not conjecture 4G will be with us before 10 years has passed and that really will offer truly stunning data speeds. I just don't get why you think all this tech is so far off when it is with us now.

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Posted: 2008-05-21 21:01:48
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Yeah, obviously.

..such as? Set aside the fact that you won't get 7.2Mbit on any existing setup, and that the networks won't support near those speeds on a large scale - what sort of app would it be? I'm not asking this to be mean, I really do want to know - because that would easily make up some sort of pull to actually build out the networks, and look for new solutions (which is typically just for science projects so far). So - an app that requires high data- speeds, and people would be willing to pay subscription fees for using..

Still - the real problem still is the software.


Sure. But how many users can have those speeds consistently at the same time. That's the problem, and why at the present it's not viable as an alternative for land- based lines. And why the capacity requirements for phones need to be completely re- thought before any of this can be useful for higher data- transfer speeds. And something like that is, in spite of all the money in the mobile industry, pretty far beyond the horizon. Imagine, for example, all new phones suddenly being incompatible with the old centrals, and working on a different type of network- config? Suddenly, the phone- makers aren't really interested.

Belive me, I'm as disappointed as anyone else.
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Posted: 2008-05-21 21:49:09
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@Prom1: You have given me a comprehensive and thoughtful response, and I'll get back to you shortly after I have responded to this much less reasonable one:
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On 2008-05-21 07:28:33, mib1800 wrote:
I read that you can't even get UIQ3 to connect to corporate wifi (802.1x). And you cannot customise UIQ3 main menu (like sub-folders). No support for UPNP. No SIP/VOIP. No HSDPA support. No support full landscape UI. No demand paging (stuck at old Symbian OS). No full contact search. No profile support. No call recording support. No UDP (user data preservation). No accelerometer. No gaming platform (like ngage). No voice dialing (without voice tag). No standard port/jack.

Half of the things you have listed there are untruths. for example, UIQ supposedly doesn't support HSDPA but the UIQ-powered Moto Z8 runs HSDPA?

I could punch holes in the others, but I'll leave it at that, and just say differentiate between the capabilities of a user interface and what each manufacturer implements in a particular device.

Being both Symbian based, there islittle difference in what feature that can be implemented in both S60 and UIQ.

We are here looking at the software that ties the user to the Symbian core.

If we all cannot agree to this, the discussion is actually pointless. But is it not? Yet, we shall all proceed with it
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Posted: 2008-05-22 08:13:00
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Anyway, back on topic.

UIQ gets my vote from a technical view, its underlying design allows for a more flexible and richer experience than s60, even if its current hardware is letting it down somewhat.

BUT for users looking for best value and most support I think you have to look at s60 or even WM6 over UIQ, sorry.
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Posted: 2008-05-22 10:58:43
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So.. finally, WM gets a new browser that actually works - with Opera 9.5. After being stuck with IE for a while. But it's not exactly certain that all WM devices will be able to run this very quickly, or stable. Graphics drivers and so on still is a real problem for most WM devices. Stability isn't much to brag about. And there certainly is no more will from HTC to fix issues with the phones for customers who have already bought phones. Even though in the case of the graphics drivers, they certainly had reason to. WM doesn't have a public bug- tracker either - and keep changing versions without documenting exactly what the point with it was - seemingly only optimising the layout so it's slightly less reminiscent of windows 3.11.

S60 and nokia - they have had, and still have serious issues with most of the s60 phones. Every new model is still launched with some quirk around the menus or in the programs that immediately disqualifies them - the n95 had a disappearing key- problem that wasn't fixed for a year, for example. The n70 has a nice screen, but the battery is gone even faster than on the n95 - and anyone who bought these devices will have to sell them, and then buy the new one - they can't, and have no opportunity to take it back and say: "look here - one day on a full charge - what is this!" and get a new one that works. Neither will any of the older s60 devices ever be upgraded with the frequency of the new devices - or get any of the hot, new tech that somehow fails to deliver in practice. Nor do they have the monster- processors, or fecking OMAP3, even thought all the models are still thick as planks. But yes, they did get flash (some of the phones did, anyway). Huge plus there, for nokia, since it's multimedia- devices they're peddling, and all.

But if anyone seriously believe things are fundamentally different when it comes to support around the market now - try to think about what, specifically, SE has been criticised for. (And understand that it's just no discussion that the first "exceptionally buggy" firmware with the p1 was ridiculously much more stable than what's on the n95, or a WM device now.)


@OluYom: dream on. UIQ doesn't have one (as in one single device only) with 500Mhz processor and "dual core" with extra 3d chip (oooh..) - so obviously UIQ loses to the competition. No question about it. I mean - who wouldn't want a 500Mhz phone with flash that won't last a day, over something more efficient and useful - I mean, it beats me, anyway. Because UIQ is lagging behind technologically with the megahertz and 3d and shit - Even Eldar at M-R says so! And as we know - this is the future!


edit - btw, here's how things /might/ turn up and change things, and increase the usage and efficiency of various different bands, and so on:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com[....]ocessor-add-lte-or-mobile-wim/

But will the telecoms be willing to start using this tech? Or not, as a matter of fact, continue to "increase 3g penetration" instead for years and years, while they're sitting on their licenses and "rights" to other frequency bands?

Oh - I wonder...

[ This Message was edited by: Nipsen on 2008-05-22 12:15 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-22 12:53:08
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I do agree, up to a point. YES the nexperia chip used in the SEMP is great at what it does, and for very little power too. YES battery life on the p1 is one thing that will have ALL n95 users drooling for. YES the UI is pretty darn consistent and (IMHO on the p1) largely bug free experience.

BUT what innovation have SE actually done? what have they in all honesty done to improve the platform? We are using the same basic tech as the p800 employed. More RAM admittedly and more storage, but still the same old problems.

A "unified" inbox which must completely redraw everytime its shown, once for each type of message stored in it.
A camera with problems (anyone remember how bad the p910 cam was?) tints, lag after each and every save (surely the actual write to the jpg could happen in a back ground thread? come on!), no autofocus rectangle, SLOW autofocus
A truly awful backup software (backup incomplete, connection reset by phone anyone?)
NO GODDAMNED PROFILE SUPPORT!!!
Pitiful customer support

We can go on....

I like my p1, but i don't like SE. They are complacent, they don't give a sh*t for their customers, and they have totally and utterly wasted what is arguably the most powerful and flexible UI designed for small screens written to date.

I think uiq is very nearly at the point where the only thing that could save it from iphone, android and WM is to make the whole thing open source. Maybe then nice tech heads like you and me could actually get to grips with stuff like the messaging app, the cam driver and *gasp* fix the bloody things! *double gasp* maybe even write a profile system (does it have profiles? .... No..... but if i hold this key down i can put it in silent..... WHAT!!!! IS THIS A BUSINESS PHONE OR NOT????)

Sorry, rant over. Been a long day, things have really been getting on my nerves today. And people. And crap not working. And ppl nicking my parking space. And....


Calm.....

Breathe deeply......

o_O
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Posted: 2008-05-23 00:12:45
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Agree with almost everything you say, but have to make a littke correction: the p1 does have autofocus rectangle, now (i also got rid of green tint, but that seems did not happen to all)
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Posted: 2008-05-23 01:26:35
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Well, if i could back the d*mn thing up, maybe i could upgrade to the latest fw.


grumble grumble grumble
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Posted: 2008-05-23 10:50:44
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Back to page 3

@Prom1
Cricket players always use to play football for warm up, but that doesn't make them football players. Hope I make you understand what I'm trying to say. Caller ID image, and missed call/sms alert IMO is a needed feature which S60 failed to implement thus far. Yes, it can be used for business advantage but that doesn't necessarily make it a business feature. I used to enjoy these *simple* features since my T610, which definitely wasn't a business device rather a multimedia device.

plus I think facebook is not directly a business oriented site right? And, that my friend was exactly what I was pointing to, same goes for e-mail now a days.

Why do you say so? Just because Motorola counldn't implement something and Sony Ericsson implemented in their UIQ3 sets it made it out of UIQ3's scope? I hope someone here could understand what is OS and what is hardware, let alone implementation (Yes of-course I'm pointing to Dogmann now).

Well, I was focusing on using touchscreen which is an advantage of UIQ thus far, can you point me any S60 device with which I can have the same experience ?

One additional point for you: In S60 there's no Unified call log, you can't tell what call type happened after what, as all incoming, outgoing and missed calls are on different tab ONLY, unless you dig down two level of menu and open up logs. And trust me, it's a great time saver when you try to find did your gf missed call you after or before you called .

@Dogmann

Could you please clarify then why did you told I was comparing multimedia vs business oriented device, which you would never of guessed before Prom1 narrated? (While clearly I was comparing UIQ3 vs S60, by my personal opinion?)

Again, as an OS UIQ3 is far more superior to S60 in almost every aspect, but again if I compare hardware-wise S60 devices are way more advanced right now.

And last but not least

If that was directed to me, I generally don't pick on Dogmann's words, because this is what I personally think of him doing every time he is in a thread:

In addition I always feel he is just too pointed to his *hardware* spec. sheet that almost everytime he forgets what's this thread about.
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Posted: 2008-05-23 14:39:07
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