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On 2011-11-21 23:08:25, kewsvnet wrote:
On 2011-11-20 07:10:49, HxH wrote:
Every Qualcomm Snapdragon chip is based on Cortex A8 Architecture even Krait 28nm, that's why I start do not like them. Old technology Sell Expensive.
While those competitor using Cortex A9 architecture : ST-Ericsson NovaThor / Nvidia Tegra / Samsung Exynos / TI OMAP 4. Look into these benchmark tests , where Qualcomm had been left in dust. And will be even worse in next year because Samsung might goes for Cortex A7 (IMHO - it could be 2013 model because Samsung already announced Exynos 4212 which is manufactured at 32nm already) recently announced and OMAP 5 is Cortex A15 ready!
from what I can see krait only uses the cortex-a8 instruction set...not the architecture! infact its architecture is meant to be better than A9 and probably comparable to A15...and considering it is about the only 28nm chipset available currently...should offer pretty good power efficiency...not to mention its cores are asynchronous so it can switch one off if not needed...the only thing that isnt too great is the GPU! so unless u want hardcore gaming it should offer pretty good performance in my opinion. its not always about the number of cores! and also this should improve power efficiency now all I wish is that
(sony) use LED for screens which would give even better power efficiency...and the new phones should have much better batt life!!!!
Android Authority
The new S4 is based on a completely new architecture called Krait (more like the jump from Cortex A9 to Cortex A15 than the one from Cortex A8 to Cortex A9) that is also manufactured at the smallest processing node so far for ARM chips–28 nm.
AnandTech
Scorpion was Qualcomm's first Snapdragon CPU architecture. At a high level, it looked very much like an optimized ARM Cortex A8 design although the two had nothing in common outside of instruction set.
Qualcomm lengthened Krait's integer pipeline slightly from 10 stages in Scorpion to 11 stages in Krait. Load/store operations tack on another two cycles and instructions that go through the Neon/VFP path further lengthen the pipe. ARM's Cortex A15 design by comparison features a 15-stage integer pipeline. Qualcomm's design does contain more custom logic than ARM's stock A15, which has typically given it a clock speed advantage. The A15's deeper pipeline should give it a clock speed advantage as well. Whether the two effectively cancel each other out remains to be seen.
Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!
YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because
market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 06:51 ]
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Posted: 2011-11-22 07:41:13
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So as we expected few months back, 2012 will be the same story once again. 2011
learnt from their mistakes in 2010 but why not this year ?
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Posted: 2011-11-22 09:49:34
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From unknown13x
" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."
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Posted: 2011-11-22 12:09:25
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On 2011-11-22 09:49:34, randomuser wrote:
So as we expected few months back, 2012 will be the same story once again. 2011
learnt from their mistakes in 2010 but why not this year ?
Seriously though, this is now water under the bridge and all we can do now is wait for Sony on their own. Bert did actually say that SE will not rush into new technology when there is no guarantee that it will sell so this 'under-powered' Nozomi shouldn't really surprise anybody unless you knew absolutely nothing about SE and their recent strategy.
I would also take this route if I had just bought out my partner as is the case with Sony, unless I can quickly come up with a completely new phone hardware-wise or I had been working on proto before the buyout.
Maybe Sony has something up its sleeves to compete head-on with the SGSIII, who knows? Maybe not, either way we have no choice but to wait until next year.
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Posted: 2011-11-22 12:10:17
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The biggest problem is SEs fixed release scheme. If krait is not ready until q1, its better to delay their flagship and wait for it to be finished . It was the same last year. Qualcomms dualcore wasnt ready for q1 release then either. SEs release scheme is totally unsynced with qualcomm and thats a big problem
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-11-22 11:40 ]
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Posted: 2011-11-22 12:38:15
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Troll?
I don't know who is he and really don't want to know anyway but this man is simply can't stand with the fact that
has no ambitious to compete in top-tier market any longer by keep release dated hardware to market, how hell he should know
today market share is only 2% of the rest mobile manufacturers.
How sad? I would like to see how SONY will sweep out this kind of attitude from their workforce very soon!
Take note at Samsung and what happen with them recently, that is price of use advantage technology.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 11:46 ]
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Posted: 2011-11-22 12:44:54
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Recently,i dont like what sony ericsson is doing with the price of their mobile phones.They launched xperia play for 650eur,and it is now been sold for less than 200eur.The same happened with xperia x10,xperia arc,etc.As a customer,i would be offended if i had paid 650eur for a phone,and someone bought a new one,6 months later for less than half the price.Apple isnt doing things like that,that's why everyone buy an iphone even if they know that a newer version is coming,because the value of their device doenst drop significantly.
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Posted: 2011-11-22 12:53:00
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Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!
YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because
market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 06:51 ]
Yeah but those performance graphs showed HTC Sensation which uses the Scorpion Architecture NOT Krait! same with the battery-life! krait uses 28nm chipset so I think we should at least see how krait performs before discrediting it!
Here's to hoping that
does use krait and not scorpion...coz u r right scorpion does not stand a chance against the rest of the competition!
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Posted: 2011-11-22 13:19:55
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On 2011-11-22 12:09:25, Karun wrote:
From unknown13x
" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."
Lt26i actually is nozomi.
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Posted: 2011-11-22 14:46:52
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On 2011-11-22 12:38:15, motvikt wrote:
The biggest problem is SEs fixed release scheme. If krait is not ready until q1, its better to delay their flagship and wait for it to be finished . It was the same last year. Qualcomms dualcore wasnt ready for q1 release then either. SEs release scheme is totally unsynced with qualcomm and thats a big problem
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-11-22 11:40 ]
Sony Ericsson SK19i:
Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com
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Posted: 2011-11-22 15:14:32
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